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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,361
So my Trump neighbors took down their signs and just put up an "Always Be Kind" sign.

So we literally weren't kind to anyone other than ourselves for like 4 years. But now that the election is over with we can all be kind to each other again????
I know it's bullshit, but frankly I'd take it.

The public debate in the US is so toxic, that any kind gesture between people should be appreciated. Let's hope they follow through and are actually kind themselves.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,635
I know it's bullshit, but frankly I'd take it.

The public debate in the US is so toxic, that any kind gesture between people should be appreciated. Let's hope they follow through and are actually kind themselves.
He actually just texted me and said, "God will save the state. The liberals in town lost! The red wave took out everything! Excellent!"

His wife must have put up the be kind sign and not him.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,887
There's plenty of research on seed oils though. The problem is that the research does not confirm your assumption (and I don't mean you specifically, because I love a white man who talks like Chris Gayle), so the research must be funded by big oil or big pharma or whatever (which it may or may not be). The bogeyman of one thing bad and needs to be studied/removed/banned is myopic if you are looking at diets or healthcare in general. We should definitely reduce consumption of any ultra processed food and replace it with whole foods wherever possible. Also, reduce consumption in general. However, the way our modern economy is set up, overconsumption is the beast that needs to be fed and food that are cheaper to produce, lasts donkeys years and can generate the most profit wins. The point I think I'm trying to make is that if anything needs regulation, it's capitalism the way it's set up currently or something to that effect I guess :boh:
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It's not my assumption, but perhaps the stuff I read is fake news peddled by alternative health grifters. If the research shows that seed oils are perfectly fine, then so be it, great. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to the Government undertaking more research into it without the influence (hopefully) of corporations who have an interest in profits over health.

I say put an end to seed oils half jokingly, it's not practical. It's cheap and people depend on them. A lot of people can't afford to swap margarine for butter, and they should have the choice to poison themselves anyway.

Certainly agreed that more regulation of the food industry is needed, when backed by proper research. Corporations should not be allowed to put just anything on the market and pass it off as safe when it's not.

I do also welcome more education for the public backed by science so people can make informed decisions about their diet.

If it takes America to lead the way for everyone else to benefit, I'll take it.

Can't wait to be able to eat KFC deep fried in avocado oil :tuttosport:

Anybody who looks for a Holy Grail to explain health troubles with a single ingredient is clueless in my book. Hands down. Non-starter. That's a feeble brain that cannot fathom the complexity in nature.

It's no wonder that Fox News keeps publishing stories about how this one food item or that food item will help you live to 100, when that's just reductionist nutritionism.

Health is and remains a varied diet in balance, and nutrition and health are not the same. You could eat nothing but kale but you would die of malnutrition.
Wot?? Where did you read that?
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,967
It's just a hypothetical, I'm trying to think of all options just in case.

I don't think any conclusions can be drawn until we see the total vote count. If he didn't get more votes than in 2020 I'm putting it down to Democrats attempting to be Republican-lite and appeal to them instead of actually having policies that would attract more left or centrist voters.
I know. The very thought of it is unbelievable.

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But Americans are happy, because Trump will make great movies.
Those hyper partisans are just treating this as a sport. I think people in general voted against inflation, and the fact that Harris was pushed on them without participating in any primary election.
 
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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
My somewhat sober take - once again, the biggest issue is the economy. That's basically all that matters now in elections. Despite the fact Trump's economic plans don't make any sense to any reasonably educated person, it doesn't matter. The Dems have literally nothing to offer with respect to the economy and they still haven't learned from their mistakes. This is Murica, we aren't Denmark and never will be. People want low taxes and less regulation. The majority also rejects living off of the government, such that social programs aren't making any impact to voters any longer. So what the Dems need to do is actually have a real economic plan based on the individual instead of the government in the future. I doubt they will learn.

As far as personal freedoms go, everything is out the window. I expect a lot of rights to be taken away in the next four years, with increased hate rhetoric to already marginalized groups. I will be standing by my LGBTQ+ friends no matter what, and hopefully they become armed to protect themselves.
Agree with this. Economics is what always allows republicans to win elections, doesn’t even matter that generally speaking economic performance has been better under democrat presidents over the years lol.

What I’m seeing is different and that allowed the MAGA cult to take over the GOP is the reactionary response to perceived Democrat Identity Politics and “Woke” shit. Like @AFL_ITALIA and others have said about this not being a major part of the discourse from the Democrat side this election is true… but the MAGA folk are still using these issues - scary brown immigrants invading, scary trans people in bathrooms, scary gay agenda being pushed in schools, government and academia DEI pushes - to galvanize their base and whip them into a fervour, allowing them to bulldoze over the traditional Republican Party.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,890
:kiss:

It's not my assumption, but perhaps the stuff I read is fake news peddled by alternative health grifters. If the research shows that seed oils are perfectly fine, then so be it, great. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to the Government undertaking more research into it without the influence (hopefully) of corporations who have an interest in profits over health.

I say put an end to seed oils half jokingly, it's not practical. It's cheap and people depend on them. A lot of people can't afford to swap margarine for butter, and they should have the choice to poison themselves anyway.

Certainly agreed that more regulation of the food industry is needed, when backed by proper research. Corporations should not be allowed to put just anything on the market and pass it off as safe when it's not.

I do also welcome more education for the public backed by science so people can make informed decisions about their diet.

If it takes America to lead the way for everyone else to benefit, I'll take it.

Can't wait to be able to eat KFC deep fried in avocado oil :tuttosport:


Wot?? Where did you read that?
As much as I would love for this to happen, I don't see it.

This is the "anti-science" party that rants against "burdensome regulation." If anything, I fully expect them to do the opposite and remove regulations on food safety and quality because it's "good for business."

I hope I'm wrong, but I genuinely don't see much good that's going to come from this election.

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Agree with this. Economics is what always allows republicans to win elections, doesn’t even matter that generally speaking economic performance has been better under democrat presidents over the years lol.

What I’m seeing is different and that allowed the MAGA cult to take over the GOP is the reactionary response to perceived Democrat Identity Politics and “Woke” shit. Like @AFL_ITALIA and others have said about this not being a major part of the discourse from the Democrat side this election is true… but the MAGA folk are still using these issues - scary brown immigrants invading, scary trans people in bathrooms, scary gay agenda being pushed in schools, government and academia DEI pushes - to galvanize their base and whip them into a fervour, allowing them to bulldoze over the traditional Republican Party.
So what more could they have done? Agreed with them? It's them fighting an imaginary war.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,887
As much as I would love for this to happen, I don't see it.

This is the "anti-science" party that rants against "burdensome regulation." If anything, I fully expect them to do the opposite and remove regulations on food safety and quality because it's "good for business."

I hope I'm wrong, but I genuinely don't see much good that's going to come from this election.
I wouldn''t be surprised either but a lot of people who voted Republican because of RFK's promises will be disappointed
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
As much as I would love for this to happen, I don't see it.

This is the "anti-science" party that rants against "burdensome regulation." If anything, I fully expect them to do the opposite and remove regulations on food safety and quality because it's "good for business."

I hope I'm wrong, but I genuinely don't see much good that's going to come from this election.

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So what more could they have done? Agreed with them? It's them fighting an imaginary war.
That’s exactly it. MAGA has created a mostly imaginary enemy to whip up their base and solidify control of the GOP.

I think the DNC were almost always fighting a losing battle this year with how late Biden bowed out. That was a shitshow. A proper primary could have helped a lot and then possibly focusing the campaign more on policy than on Trump’s nonsense.

But there was always going to be a strong reaction to the progressive identity politics and woke push from a decade ago. And that led to Trump’s takeover of the GOP. What blows my mind is that they are still riding that wave 8 years later and it seems to have crested again. Full blown cult on that side with his core base. Though I do think inflation and economy are what brought in the independents and any sane republican probably would have beat Kamala even worse.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,448
I wouldn''t be surprised either but a lot of people who voted Republican because of RFK's promises will be disappointed
As I understand it, with the Chevron deference being overruled, the federal agencies will have less power over these things. So you’ll need the republicans in senate and congress to vote these promises to law. It seems bad for business, so I doubt it’ll happen.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,863
Has Trump commented anything on Ukraine yet? Couldn’t give less fucks about what happens inside the US, but some of Elons and Trumps comments had major red flags regarding Ukraine-Russia

There’s the off chance that Trump gets angry like a child after his good friend Putin doesn’t collaborate to fulfil his campaign promises and takes Russia head on, but more likely it feels like Ukraine is fucked
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,324
Has Trump commented anything on Ukraine yet? Couldn’t give less fucks about what happens inside the US, but some of Elons and Trumps comments had major red flags regarding Ukraine-Russia

There’s the off chance that Trump gets angry like a child after his good friend Putin doesn’t collaborate to fulfil his campaign promises and takes Russia head on, but more likely it feels like Ukraine is fucked
Ofcourse Ukraine is fucked, Trump will still want to be friends with Putin even if Putin is the one manipulating Trump into giving Intel.
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
88,097
At least Pamela Price is on the way out and Prop 36 passed :tup:

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Has Trump commented anything on Ukraine yet? Couldn’t give less fucks about what happens inside the US, but some of Elons and Trumps comments had major red flags regarding Ukraine-Russia

There’s the off chance that Trump gets angry like a child after his good friend Putin doesn’t collaborate to fulfil his campaign promises and takes Russia head on, but more likely it feels like Ukraine is fucked
Trump may have limited interest in geopolitical affairs but is he really going to fight the "security state" over this? Is that a hill he is going to die on? I very much doubt it.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,953
:kiss:

It's not my assumption, but perhaps the stuff I read is fake news peddled by alternative health grifters. If the research shows that seed oils are perfectly fine, then so be it, great. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to the Government undertaking more research into it without the influence (hopefully) of corporations who have an interest in profits over health.

I say put an end to seed oils half jokingly, it's not practical. It's cheap and people depend on them. A lot of people can't afford to swap margarine for butter, and they should have the choice to poison themselves anyway.

Certainly agreed that more regulation of the food industry is needed, when backed by proper research. Corporations should not be allowed to put just anything on the market and pass it off as safe when it's not.

I do also welcome more education for the public backed by science so people can make informed decisions about their diet.

If it takes America to lead the way for everyone else to benefit, I'll take it.

Can't wait to be able to eat KFC deep fried in avocado oil :tuttosport:


Wot?? Where did you read that?
Didn't know Liver King was on Tuz.
 

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