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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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That in a political climate this polarized 12 citizens - approved by Trump's own lawyers - came together and rendered a unanimous guilty verdict on 34 counts in a matter of days tells you what a piece of shit Trump must be when you actually are around him for longer than 10 minutes.
Elon musk is on twitter saying this is a slippery slope tho. The South African.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Trump guilty on all 34 counts. But it was just a political witch hunt, right? Republicans :lol3:
Lock her up!

Christians: "I'm fine with the verdict because Jesus will save Trump against the satanic jurors. Not a single believer in Christ in the jury. God will prevail."
And one juror got all their news from Truth Social :numnum:I mean, you couldn't think of a better slam dunk for a hung jury. But here we are.


All of this really just confirming biases people already had beforehand though.
 

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Louisiana just signed a law to display the “Ten Commandments” in all public schools.

Here’s to another hurricane season like 2005!
As an individual who went to french-catholic school for the first 13 years of my life, and lived in Calcasieu parish in Louisiana - I approve

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We need to bring back yes man/no sir ASAP
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Louisiana just signed a law to display the “Ten Commandments” in all public schools.

Here’s to another hurricane season like 2005!
I wonder if that's legal.

Obviously I'm not an American lawyer, but I'm sure freedom of religion is a thing there. In Belgium we'd understand that to mean schools can't impose a certain religion. Many schools are state schools too and there is supposed to be a separation between church and state. Wouldn't this be in contradiction of the First Amendment?
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I wonder if that's legal.

Obviously I'm not an American lawyer, but I'm sure freedom of religion is a thing there. In Belgium we'd understand that to mean schools can't impose a certain religion. Many schools are state schools too and there is supposed to be a separation between church and state. Wouldn't this be in contradiction of the First Amendment?
It's similar to the school prayer case but who knows what the current supreme court will do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale?wprov=sfti1#Background
 

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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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I wonder if that's legal.

Obviously I'm not an American lawyer, but I'm sure freedom of religion is a thing there. In Belgium we'd understand that to mean schools can't impose a certain religion. Many schools are state schools too and there is supposed to be a separation between church and state. Wouldn't this be in contradiction of the First Amendment?
First amendment doesn’t really apply , they’re not suppressing speech.

But there should be separation of church and state and public schools are govt property since they’re paid for by taxes
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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First amendment doesn’t really apply , they’re not suppressing speech.

But there should be separation of church and state and public schools are govt property since they’re paid for by taxes
I think the Supreme Court decided it does, see below.

It's similar to the school prayer case but who knows what the current supreme court will do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale?wprov=sfti1#Background
Thank you, I didn't know this case. I do read US Supreme Court decisions every now and then, but mostly out of interest.

One thing I noticed when they overturned Roe v Wade is that they said there was no right to abortion based on the right of privacy in the Constitution, but that there was also no historical basis for it. It would appear that they will not be able to make that argument, as there was extensive historical analysis in Engel v Vitale. I particularly like the quote that is on Wikipedia: "It is a matter of history that this practice of establishing governmentally composed prayers for religious services was one of the reasons which caused many of our early colonists to leave England and seek religious freedom in America.".

It's going to be pretty hard to come back on that.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I dunno. The U.S. seems to be backtracking on segregation these days. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find "colored" and "white" water fountains by the time I get back to Cali.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I dunno. The U.S. seems to be backtracking on segregation these days. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find "colored" and "white" water fountains by the time I get back to Cali.
I don't know.

If I've learned one thing in my career it's that judges have no qualms going back on a decision by another judge, but they are very hesitant to rule different from their own earlier rulings.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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First amendment doesn’t really apply , they’re not suppressing speech.

But there should be separation of church and state and public schools are govt property since they’re paid for by taxes
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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I think the Supreme Court decided it does, see below.



Thank you, I didn't know this case. I do read US Supreme Court decisions every now and then, but mostly out of interest.

One thing I noticed when they overturned Roe v Wade is that they said there was no right to abortion based on the right of privacy in the Constitution, but that there was also no historical basis for it. It would appear that they will not be able to make that argument, as there was extensive historical analysis in Engel v Vitale. I particularly like the quote that is on Wikipedia: "It is a matter of history that this practice of establishing governmentally composed prayers for religious services was one of the reasons which caused many of our early colonists to leave England and seek religious freedom in America.".

It's going to be pretty hard to come back on that.
This is an even stronger case than the school prayer case, since the debated prayer was not strictly Judeo-Christian. I have a feeling these guys did it on purpose to take it to the Supreme Court and reverse that precedence, despite clearly being against establishment clause of the first amendment.
with Alito, who wants to bring the country back to a state of godliness, nobody can’t be sure of the outcome.
 
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