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[Bjerknes]

Water supply issues are next.

I miss 2020.


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It doesn't look like it's going to be above freezing at all until around Friday/Saturday. They have to get things even somewhat under control before then, otherwise things are going to get very ugly.

Not good. Then there's this to worry about as well.


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Edit: Now outages are over 4 million customers in TX. Loss of ~200k customers in 30 minutes. This shit is going downhill fast.

 

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[lgorTudor]

Forza @Ronn!

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Water supply issues are next.

I miss 2020.


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Not good. Then there's this to worry about as well.


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Edit: Now outages are over 4 million customers in TX. Loss of ~200k customers in 30 minutes. This shit is going downhill fast.

It sounds almost apocalyptic. There's no good way to say this, but I hope with help coming they can reduce deaths as much as possible.

Forza @Ronn!

He's in Long Island now, but they lose power anytime someone sneezes too hard.

 

[Enron]

My aunt and uncle have cows in their garage right now.

everywhere in Texas is colder than everywhere in Utah right now

 

[Bjerknes]

Outages keep going up. At this rate it will be 5M by morning.


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And more shedding of power -- we're going to 6 million customers without power soon.



Never seen anything like this before.

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It sounds almost apocalyptic. There's no good way to say this, but I hope with help coming they can reduce deaths as much as possible.

 

[Enron]

Outages keep going up. At this rate it will be 5M by morning.


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And more shedding of power -- we're going to 6 million customers without power soon.



Never seen anything like this before.

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incredible. having their own grid was a major selling point for doing business in Texas. power plants down in all sectors, gas lines freezing, some major issues

 

[Bjerknes]

incredible. having their own grid was a major selling point for doing business in Texas. power plants down in all sectors, gas lines freezing, some major issues

And no changes any time soon.

 

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What happened with #defundthepolice? That shit sure dissappeared fast after the election

Covid made people crazy. Their brains got infected, and the started saying crazy sh*t without thinking through the implications.

Arguably, this disappeared before the election.

Holy shit, this is insane.

Is this where we say, "Failed third world country, corrupted by failed conservative policies"?

Though I do love how Biden being in office for three weeks caused all the infrastructure in Texas to suddenly collapse. That's as good a conspiracy theory as any.

Demand for heat and hence electricity is sky high, so the power grid is being tested. Wind turbines are freezing, along with certain nat gas and propane lines, so there is a massive supply issue. Spot prices for nat gas and propane are skyrocketing because of the demand and there's also another sort of supply issue that I'm not sure of yet, seems unclear.

The average low in Plano is like 40 degrees.

Reminds me of the California Enron shakedown (that other Enron ) that propelled Schwarzenegger into the governor's office.

Here's a big problem with Texas that hasn't even been mentioned yet: Texas is pretty much a power grid island. They've designed themselves with the assumption that they could be self-sufficient and never have to import power, so there isn't really even a way they can draw from any excess from nearby states.

Oops. Once again, the downside of espousing complete independence is super-fragility to conditions above and beyond their control. Resilience was never designed into their system, both within the state and outside the state.

 

[Bjerknes]

Covid made people crazy. Their brains got infected, and the started saying crazy sh*t without thinking through the implications.

Arguably, this disappeared before the election.



Is this where we say, "Failed third world country, corrupted by failed conservative policies"?

Though I do love how Biden being in office for three weeks caused all the infrastructure in Texas to suddenly collapse. That's as good a conspiracy theory as any.

On the flip side, one can say that the transition to wind power away from coal really screwed them here -- 25% of the grid in Texas is based on wind turbine. What good are the turbines when they freeze up with wind chills below zero. Coal don't care about no cold.

Reminds me of the California Enron shakedown (that other Enron ) that propelled Schwarzenegger into the governor's office.

Here's a big problem with Texas that hasn't even been mentioned yet: Texas is pretty much a power grid island. They've designed themselves with the assumption that they could be self-sufficient and never have to import power, so there isn't really even a way they can draw from any excess from nearby states.

Oops. Once again, the downside of espousing complete independence is super-fragility to conditions above and beyond their control. Resilience was never designed into their system, both within the state and outside the state.

I've heard that being discussed in some circles and I wasn't surprised. Maybe the same people in charge of the utilities are those in the secession movement.

Self-sufficiency isn't really a bad thing, but you always need a backup plan.

 

[Enron]

Texas utilities are 100% private owned as well, with zero regulation. Gonna be interesting to see how Abbot spins this.

 

[Ronn]

It sounds almost apocalyptic. There's no good way to say this, but I hope with help coming they can reduce deaths as much as possible.

He's in Long Island now, but they lose power anytime someone sneezes too hard.

Very true. We lost power for 3 days during Hurricane Isaias last summer. We also pay shit ton of money for the lousy service that we receive.
By the way many Texans also lost water too.

 

[Bjerknes]

So this would be like mad max type shit.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Very true. We lost power for 3 days during Hurricane Isaias last summer. We also pay shit ton of money for the lousy service that we receive.
By the way many Texans also lost water too.

Could always try Queens

So this would be like mad max type shit.

Christ. The longest blackout I've ever seen was in parts of Long Island for 16 days after Hurricane Sandy, but there was a huge amount of actual physical damage there. This would be an absolute disaster on every single level of government.

 

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On the flip side, one can say that the transition to wind power away from coal really screwed them here -- 25% of the grid in Texas is based on wind turbine. What good are the turbines when they freeze up with wind chills below zero. Coal don't care about no cold.



I've heard that being discussed in some circles and I wasn't surprised. Maybe the same people in charge of the utilities are those in the secession movement.

Self-sufficiency isn't really a bad thing, but you always need a backup plan.

Seems like wind turbines aren’t to blame, just that Texas isn’t prepared to handle such sustained cold temperatures.
Of course, due to climate change these temperature extremes are happening more and more frequently.

 

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Texas utilities are 100% private owned as well, with zero regulation. Gonna be interesting to see how Abbot spins this.

Ted Cruz mocking California energy policies in the past?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Worst presidential take ever

 

[Ronn]

Could always try Queens


Christ. The longest blackout I've ever seen was in parts of Long Island for 16 days after Hurricane Sandy, but there was a huge amount of actual physical damage there. This would be an absolute disaster on every single level of government.

By uncontrolled blackout he means if the grid collapses completely. That’s a very extreme event. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of it happening anywhere. In the case of a collapse all generators need to be turned off and slowly be introduced to the grid in phases. This means no power, even emergency power anywhere. ERCOT even expressed willingness to cut power to hospitals and fire stations to prevent that from happening. They’re basically making the case for what they’re doing.

 

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On the flip side, one can say that the transition to wind power away from coal really screwed them here -- 25% of the grid in Texas is based on wind turbine. What good are the turbines when they freeze up with wind chills below zero. Coal don't care about no cold.



I've heard that being discussed in some circles and I wasn't surprised. Maybe the same people in charge of the utilities are those in the secession movement.

Self-sufficiency isn't really a bad thing, but you always need a backup plan.

Self-sufficiency is good as a planning philosophy. But Texas has no business being the only state in the nation closed off to out-of-state backup.

At least if you're not going to insulate your gas pipelines.

Seems like wind turbines aren’t to blame, just that Texas isn’t prepared to handle such sustained cold temperatures.
Of course, due to climate change these temperature extremes are happening more and more frequently.

I read something like 6 gigawatts is planned as wind but 67 gigawatts is planned from gas, coal, and nuclear. You don't become the #1 fracking state because of wind speed.

Worst presidential take ever

Not to blame the messenger here, but isn't Cernovich an Alex Jonesian conspiracy theorist? The dude is dripping with pizzagate grease.

 

[Enron]

Ted Cruz mocking California energy policies in the past?

well republicans are already blaming the power issues in Texas on the green new deal because their power is mostly wind turbines (its 20% wind compared to 40% nat gas, 10%

Self-sufficiency is good as a planning philosophy. But Texas has no business being the only state in the nation closed off to out-of-state backup.

At least if you're not going to insulate your gas pipelines.





Not to blame the messenger here, but isn't Cernovich an Alex Jonesian conspiracy theorist? The dude is dripping with pizzagate grease.

he’s the pizza gate man lol

 

[Bjerknes]

Seems like wind turbines aren’t to blame, just that Texas isn’t prepared to handle such sustained cold temperatures.
Of course, due to climate change these temperature extremes are happening more and more frequently.

I mean, coal-based combustion has been a source of heat for over a century, with its systems able to withstand subzero degree temperatures all across the northern hemisphere. If they can't get their systems to work in this environment then their grid is even worse than Soviet Russia. I can see issues arising because of nat gas equipment freezing, similarly to how gas companies have to add liquid methanol into propane so the lines don't freeze, which will probably be illegal at some point since it's methanol.