'Murica! (350 Viewers)

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
To the conservatives and liberals on this thread, instead of ad hominems and posting extreme examples from both sides, how about discussing why you fall where you are on the political spectrum. For me, the top issues in the US today (the current pandemic notwithstanding) are income inequality, lack of affordable healthcare, gun violence (including both gang violence and mass shootings), increasing political and racial division, environmental standards and finally corporations having too much power.
I find the Democrats are worse when it comes to some issues such as identity politics and failing to control crime in Democrat run cities whereas Trump and Republicans fail on basically every other issue (it's not that Democrats are much better on economics either). Of course there are some good Republican leaders on the local level and state level, which is why I feel you should vote for candidates based on policy, not party.

I have never voted on party. I voted for Bill Clinton.


Twice. And this is coming from someone who became a Republican because of Reagan

- - - Updated - - -

Who is taking responsibility for an entire political ideology?

- - - Updated - - -


lol you think he would be talking about the only other republican on here? :grin:

I'm sure there are more of us.

Or maybe not.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
To the conservatives and liberals on this thread, instead of ad hominems and posting extreme examples from both sides, how about discussing why you fall where you are on the political spectrum. For me, the top issues in the US today (the current pandemic notwithstanding) are income inequality, lack of affordable healthcare, gun violence (including both gang violence and mass shootings), increasing political and racial division, environmental standards and finally corporations having too much power.
I find the Democrats are worse when it comes to some issues such as identity politics and failing to control crime in Democrat run cities whereas Trump and Republicans fail on basically every other issue (it's not that Democrats are much better on economics either). Of course there are some good Republican leaders on the local level and state level, which is why I feel you should vote for candidates based on policy, not party.
Here is where I fall:
 

Attachments

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,783
France is losing its contrarian role in the world. Trying to copy Americans after George Floyd became a public crisis? Weak. What's wrong with them?

The old France I knew would just throw a black suburban kid off a building and say, "Houp! Mangeons des escargots!" to troll the world.

good thing yellow fever is already taken
You know, I think black and Asian are the only kinds of prostitutes the president hasn't banged.

strange to think they probably couldn’t make Wayne’s World today
And they call that progress.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
strange to think they probably couldn’t make Wayne’s World today
Imagine trying to make the old Peter Sellers Pink Panther movies today (awful Steve Martin ones don’t count lol) with him calling his man servant “my little yellow friend” and lines like “they nearly blew his little yellow skin off.” Those were my favourite movies when I was little. :lol2:
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,810
this is actually reading and seeing what you guys post there in Usa.
Black people rioting and looting, attacking innocent people cause of their skin color and media not giving a fuck cause you know the actual narrative impose standing with blacks cause of Floyd.
Then the abuses going on.

It's just that you guys living there are freaking brainwashed and from a neutral prospective I find it sickening and disturbing honestly.

On the other hand I just wanna see what's the point of non return when people gonna stand for themself or and stop this jungle law where the mob or the blacks can literally do anything unpunished just cause there is tension/rioting/looters around the country.

I agree this is all fake rage. A minoirty might actually be protesting against police but I see the bigger part being there just for the opportunity to steal something and go unpunished. Or to beat people cause they feel "the victims of the system" so beating someone on the street cause of skin color might help them release the "stress".

If it was still a normal country people seeing a girl being beaten for no-reason would have jumped beating the racists. Instead cause they were black and everyone is afraid to be called "racist" they stand there do nothing and record with their phone.

The narrative so IS that everyone's afraid to be called racist so those people use it for anything to get a free pass at anything.

Wake up guys :D or Idiocracy will be real and for the record I would be happy if it is I'm just afraid that your shit will spread to Europe.
How would it be that I, who live here, am brainwashed but you, on the other side of the world, would know better than me? Do you really think entire cities are burning down right now and it's all in chaos? It's like watching those highlight videos of players on Youtube, thinking that tells the whole story :p.

It's sad you will only realize it once it's too late, but sometimes you just can't fight destiny.
Say that to all the statues of white men that are being torn down and those arguing for reparations lol
I wonder how many times the woke crowd will have to scream it in your face before people hear it.
Ok, listen. I'm going to just preface this by saying I have a tremendous amount of respect for you guys, and not that I think anything I'm going to say is offensive, just in case I'm going to say that none of this is personal at all or an attack on anyone. I just think you're way off base on this, and just as has been posted many times about media having an agenda and working people into a frenzy, it seems like that's what's happening here too but from the "other side" of the spectrum.

I've mentioned this before about Twitter or social media in general, how it highlights the extremes. Is this what is meant by "woke crowd?" Yeah, they're fucking ridiculous. As an example, that dumb bitch with the pink(?) hair screeching at the top of her lungs on a street corner posted a few pages back. Am I to take that seriously? Am I to take that as a symbol of a large percentage of the population? Am I to take that as a threat to me? No, of course not. Just like this guy isn't taken as an example of conservatism, because that would be ridiculous to do. It's just some crazy bitch on the street that happened to get recorded and spread around the world in seconds thanks to social media, making it look larger and more important of an issue than it actually is. No one is getting rid of Paw Patrol, but social media would have you believe that. This is really the biggest issue here, and we all keep saying it to. That video of the fireworks being thrown on the homeless man. Homeless people have been seen as "less than" for a long time. It's horrible, but it's reality and there have been plenty of crimes to show for it over the years. The police car passing by the kids shooting fireworks at each other, again this is normal. As for the rest, I really don't think I need to mention that crime exists and always will, I think we all know that. But there are punishments for these crimes, this isn't a lawless wasteland as there have been some allusions to.

But even with conventional media in general, you have helicopters overhead filming, large crowds marching or some store on 5th avenue being looted or some shit. Meanwhile, the rest of the city is going about their night like nothing is happening. But now poor Valerio up there is thinking the United States has become Mad Max and he needs to send out a rescue squad to evacuate us. Basically, all of this is being blown wildly out of proportion. There's no kristallnacht of whites going on, the vast majority of stores and buildings are untouched. All those white hipsters in Bushwick are still living life undisturbed as almost everyone else is.

Ok fine, statues. Yes, now statues are the big thing. We can all understand why some people are defacing or destroying confederate statues, and I think it's ridiculous to go around defacing statues of basically every President we've had. However I don't see this as an assault on white people, it's an inanimate object. It's like tagging a building, something that has been done since we've had buildings. Right or wrong, any statue depicting a person that owned slaves is going to be seen as a target, regardless of what else they did. The people doing the defacing aren't going to care. And do you know why? It's the same reason that we're having any of these discussions right now...

Because people were stuck at home for months and are bored. You know (partially) why those George Floyd marches were so large compared to others? You know why media outlets keep showing the same clip of George Floyd or a building on fire/being looted? You know why all these statues are being defaced or broken down? You know why this is happening and people are coming up with conspiracy theories for it? Because people are just bored and have nothing else to do, so they create conflict like Tuz posters during the mercato when there are no matches played. Is that to say police brutality, attacks on law enforcement, racism, destruction of property, or violent crimes aren't issues that still deserve attention? Absolutely not. But no one is physically in school, no one is working their menial minimum wage customer service jobs, so why not go out and do some reckless dumb shit, as young people have done since the dawn of time? Or why not focus a camera on it 24/7 and play it up for some ratings? We wouldn't be having any of these conversations if this were a normal summer, I'd put money on it.

tl;dr - It's aight and the majority of the country is largely unaffected by any of this whatsoever, but everything is being blown way out of proportion because people have nothing to do so they create or add to conflict. But we will move on from this in time and become stronger for it.

berneydidnotread.gif
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,766
How would it be that I, who live here, am brainwashed but you, on the other side of the world, would know better than me? Do you really think entire cities are burning down right now and it's all in chaos? It's like watching those highlight videos of players on Youtube, thinking that tells the whole story :p.




Ok, listen. I'm going to just preface this by saying I have a tremendous amount of respect for you guys, and not that I think anything I'm going to say is offensive, just in case I'm going to say that none of this is personal at all or an attack on anyone. I just think you're way off base on this, and just as has been posted many times about media having an agenda and working people into a frenzy, it seems like that's what's happening here too but from the "other side" of the spectrum.

I've mentioned this before about Twitter or social media in general, how it highlights the extremes. Is this what is meant by "woke crowd?" Yeah, they're fucking ridiculous. As an example, that dumb bitch with the pink(?) hair screeching at the top of her lungs on a street corner posted a few pages back. Am I to take that seriously? Am I to take that as a symbol of a large percentage of the population? Am I to take that as a threat to me? No, of course not. Just like this guy isn't taken as an example of conservatism, because that would be ridiculous to do. It's just some crazy bitch on the street that happened to get recorded and spread around the world in seconds thanks to social media, making it look larger and more important of an issue than it actually is. No one is getting rid of Paw Patrol, but social media would have you believe that. This is really the biggest issue here, and we all keep saying it to. That video of the fireworks being thrown on the homeless man. Homeless people have been seen as "less than" for a long time. It's horrible, but it's reality and there have been plenty of crimes to show for it over the years. The police car passing by the kids shooting fireworks at each other, again this is normal. As for the rest, I really don't think I need to mention that crime exists and always will, I think we all know that. But there are punishments for these crimes, this isn't a lawless wasteland as there have been some allusions to.

But even with conventional media in general, you have helicopters overhead filming, large crowds marching or some store on 5th avenue being looted or some shit. Meanwhile, the rest of the city is going about their night like nothing is happening. But now poor Valerio up there is thinking the United States has become Mad Max and he needs to send out a rescue squad to evacuate us. Basically, all of this is being blown wildly out of proportion. There's no kristallnacht of whites going on, the vast majority of stores and buildings are untouched. All those white hipsters in Bushwick are still living life undisturbed as almost everyone else is.

Ok fine, statues. Yes, now statues are the big thing. We can all understand why some people are defacing or destroying confederate statues, and I think it's ridiculous to go around defacing statues of basically every President we've had. However I don't see this as an assault on white people, it's an inanimate object. It's like tagging a building, something that has been done since we've had buildings. Right or wrong, any statue depicting a person that owned slaves is going to be seen as a target, regardless of what else they did. The people doing the defacing aren't going to care. And do you know why? It's the same reason that we're having any of these discussions right now...

Because people were stuck at home for months and are bored. You know (partially) why those George Floyd marches were so large compared to others? You know why media outlets keep showing the same clip of George Floyd or a building on fire/being looted? You know why all these statues are being defaced or broken down? You know why this is happening and people are coming up with conspiracy theories for it? Because people are just bored and have nothing else to do, so they create conflict like Tuz posters during the mercato when there are no matches played. Is that to say police brutality, attacks on law enforcement, racism, destruction of property, or violent crimes aren't issues that still deserve attention? Absolutely not. But no one is physically in school, no one is working their menial minimum wage customer service jobs, so why not go out and do some reckless dumb shit, as young people have done since the dawn of time? Or why not focus a camera on it 24/7 and play it up for some ratings? We wouldn't be having any of these conversations if this were a normal summer, I'd put money on it.

tl;dr - It's aight and the majority of the country is largely unaffected by any of this whatsoever, but everything is being blown way out of proportion because people have nothing to do so they create or add to conflict. But we will move on from this in time and become stronger for it.

berneydidnotread.gif
because I don't follow american tv/news/media their crap can't touch me :D
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 13, Guests: 310)