'Murica! (186 Viewers)

[lgorTudor]

So all felons should be terminated in your opinion?

Repeat offenders of violent crimes should be sent on a date with old sparky, yes, and there is not a single good reason in the world why not

 

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@Ronn

Was reading an article on ESPN about Jonathan Irons and his fight to overturn his attempted murder conviction from 20 years ago with the support of that female basketball star Maya Moore and came across this:

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/i...legend-maya-moore-extraordinary-quest-justice

“Legal precedent in the state holds that unless a prisoner is on death row, proven innocence is not reason enough to be set free.”

Missouri

 

[Osman]

this is from last year

The fuck, so confusing. I'm imagining benny hill music while watching....wtf the this is.

 

[Osman]

@Ronn

Was reading an article on ESPN about Jonathan Irons and his fight to overturn his attempted murder conviction from 20 years ago with the support of that female basketball star Maya Moore and came across this:

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/i...legend-maya-moore-extraordinary-quest-justice

“Legal precedent in the state holds that unless a prisoner is on death row, proven innocence is not reason enough to be set free.”

Missouri

What the fuck? Then what the hell is a valid reason to be set free?

 

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And another one in Missouri. Damn. Ridiculous state.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/04/missouri-attorney-general-lamar-johnson-prison/

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What the fuck? Then what the hell is a valid reason to be set free?

Dude, read the second one I just posted. The police fabricated evidence to frame the guy. Murder confessions from the actual killers. And Missouri attorney general fighting to stop the case from even being allowed to have a judge revisit it and declare him innocent/release him.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

you didn't know? So were the egyptians, greeks and the vikings and the romans.

This shit is actually trending on Twitter holy fuck

 

[Juventus 32]

you didn't know? So were the egyptians, greeks and the vikings and the romans.

This shit is actually trending on Twitter holy fuck

Never underestimate stupidity.

 

[Osman]

And another one in Missouri. Damn. Ridiculous state.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/04/missouri-attorney-general-lamar-johnson-prison/

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Dude, read the second one I just posted. The police fabricated evidence to frame the guy. Murder confessions from the actual killers. And Missouri attorney general fighting to stop the case from even being allowed to have a judge revisit it and declare him innocent/release him.

A read the whole article, it's both shocking and inspiring, the latter because this athlete Maya Moore seems like as honourable as human being can be. And shocking because the guy who has been in jail for 22 years for being framed, is out of spite held in by the state despite vacated sentence, because they desperately reaching for excuses to deny his freedom.

 

[Ronn]

@Ronn

Was reading an article on ESPN about Jonathan Irons and his fight to overturn his attempted murder conviction from 20 years ago with the support of that female basketball star Maya Moore and came across this:

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/i...legend-maya-moore-extraordinary-quest-justice

“Legal precedent in the state holds that unless a prisoner is on death row, proven innocence is not reason enough to be set free.”

Missouri

What a precedence

 

[Osman]

you didn't know? So were the egyptians, greeks and the vikings and the romans.

This shit is actually trending on Twitter holy fuck

Easily trolled, takes 2 seconds to read that as someone taking the piss.



Also funny you name drop the ancient egyptians amongst those other european civilisations, like they were one too, and not one litterally in African continent and way older then them too. Primary misinformation about ancient Egyptians is how eurocentric colonial historians tried to re-write their civilisation as whitewashed Greco-Roman one. Extra funny because thats what you are laughing at, someone co-opting another civilisation as their own.

 

[swag]

The fuck, so confusing. I'm imagining benny hill music while watching....wtf the this is.

PCP is a helluva drug.

I actually encourage shared Tweets like this. Push the ridiculous, and you discredit your sanity and undermine your credibility.

Why stop with Beethoven? How about Napoleon Bonaparte?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Easily trolled, takes 2 seconds to read that as someone taking the piss.



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is it though?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Ok, but seriously...

I'm not sure the debate is about a judicial system based on rehabilitation. Yes, you see some people trying to hijack the narrative that all people are good people and no one will ever need to have to defend themselves from psychopaths, the drug-addled, the desperate, and the mentally ill with lethal force. But good luck getting anybody in Chicago agreeing to that, for example.

IMO, some people, like me, are in favor of more pre-habilitation rather than rehabilitation. The US's disastrous system of ER and trauma centers for basic medical care is another example of this: where prevention and general better health management not only leads to better lives and outcomes, it's also often a helluva lot cheaper than waiting for the ER doc to intervene as the health care of last resort. Likewise, trying to clean-up the mess with a punitive-only system with armed cops after the fact is often too late, too costly, and comes at the tail end of a lot of innocent (and not-so-innocent) victims in society leading up to that point.

America loves the cure, not the prevention. That's part of the problem. We celebrate firefighters jumping with babies through burning windows, but we yawn at the guy installing and testing smoke alarms. It's no wonder so many Americans have hang-ups about wearing masks in an epidemic... can't be bothered with prevention when I might face a little discomfort or inconvenience. Just give me a pill when I catch COVID-19.

There will always be criminals, sociopaths, etc. But cops should not be the magic service butler every time to cover for a failed civic social net. And in our gun culture, every intervention involving armed people is going to result in violent escalations ... which is fundamentally what many of the protests are about. White, black or purple, there's no reason for unarmed people winding up dead over a $20 check forgery, for selling illegal cigarettes, etc. That's just nuts and, well, barbaric.

Cops should be used for the situations where armed responses are the last resort, when you have a situation where life or death protocols might come in. That should not be the response to the first cry for help.

Humans are irredeemably flawed and the veneer they call civic duty or ethics is 3 hours of no electricity away from turning into Mongol horde raid free for all. So between relying on the benevolence of the other or his fear, i will always choose the latter. As for your point about americans, i don't think it's a matter or prevention vs cure, rather freedom is at the center of all American values.

I don't know what cops have to do with judicial philosophy.

Care to back that last bit up? Most developed countries that use elements of “rehabilitative Justice” instead of stricter American style retributive with mandatory minimums, have far lesser rates of recidivism. And while there are arguments on just how much rehabilitative Justice lowers recidivism, the vast majority of studies show it does in fact lower the rates.

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.lawsocsci.3.081806.112833

A prison system that lets people out with zero money, close to zero prospects for employment, a shitty welfare system, poor social services and community support, etc... No need to wonder why like 75% have reoffended within 5 years in America.... Of course there are people who can’t be rehabilitated, but they generally make up the minority of criminals. Supporting people becoming productive members of society while serving time, and helping them find gainful employment after is obviously beneficial

It is but it is secondary, priority ought to be to punish, also there is an indirect correllation between violent crime rates and rates of imprisonment. Also before you bring it up, drug laws are idiotic, drugs should be legal.

 

[Osman]

is it though?

Ofcourse, how in gods green earth can you take that as a serious take?

 

[Osman]

Why stop with Beethoven? How about Napoleon Bonaparte?

The swedish royal family are direct descendants of Bonaparte.

I'm gonna go up to the king and see if he know the automatic and unquestionably subtle nod you do every time you see another black guy (it's a real thing).

Brb, will report if he passes the test.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

The swedish royal family are direct descendants of Bonaparte.

I'm gonna go up to the king and see if he know the automatic and unquestionably subtle nod you do every time you see another black guy (it's a real thing).

Brb, will report if he passes the test.

I don't know if that's black thing because I do that with people too

 

[X Æ A-12]

Ofcourse, how in gods green earth can you take that as a serious take?

when it comes to the Twitter crowd? I can't tell real from satire anymore.

 

[Juventus 32]

Fact check: Yes, Kente cloths were historically worn by empire involved in West African slave trade
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ave-ties-west-african-slave-trade/5345941002/

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[JuveJay]

you didn't know? So were the egyptians, greeks and the vikings and the romans.

This shit is actually trending on Twitter holy fuck

Can I enlighten you with:

The Vikings were black people, which is why they were not credited with discovering 'Murica. I'm interested to hear how the author thinks Erik the Red looked.