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oh come on, they didn't even know he was a felon and it's not a policeman's duty to simply execute people on the street. felon or not, nobody should die this way. it undermines the trust of people in the police and the juridical system, and understandably so. nobody wants to live in a country where you can be shot, strangled or beat to death without a trial, just because some police officers thought you're a piece of shit.
the outrage and the reactions already got way out of hand, people losing their jobs due to corona and the general sjw culture didn't help too much either in controlling the masses' temper, but what those officers did is simply unacceptable, no two ways about it.
the outrage and the reactions already got way out of hand, people losing their jobs due to corona and the general sjw culture didn't help too much either in controlling the masses' temper, but what those officers did is simply unacceptable, no two ways about it.
i did, but i still don't get your point. let's not suppose that inexplicable, brutal crimes by criminals and similarly brutal crimes by police officers on supposed felons (or on anyone for that matter) are comparable in any ways.
police officers should remain spotless, and refrain from any unnecessary brutality, period. the outrage is justified, even though the extent of it and especially the looting has nothing to do with the original cause. and no, i don't get the "black lives matter" association either until the racial motif isn't proven. but as i said, officers should be spotless, otherwise people start to treat them like criminals (see those stupid defunding movements that officers brought onto themselves - an other terrible solution for a certainly existing issue).
police officers should remain spotless, and refrain from any unnecessary brutality, period. the outrage is justified, even though the extent of it and especially the looting has nothing to do with the original cause. and no, i don't get the "black lives matter" association either until the racial motif isn't proven. but as i said, officers should be spotless, otherwise people start to treat them like criminals (see those stupid defunding movements that officers brought onto themselves - an other terrible solution for a certainly existing issue).
Ok, but seriously...
I'm not sure the debate is about a judicial system based on rehabilitation. Yes, you see some people trying to hijack the narrative that all people are good people and no one will ever need to have to defend themselves from psychopaths, the drug-addled, the desperate, and the mentally ill with lethal force. But good luck getting anybody in Chicago agreeing to that, for example.
IMO, some people, like me, are in favor of more pre-habilitation rather than rehabilitation. The US's disastrous system of ER and trauma centers for basic medical care is another example of this: where prevention and general better health management not only leads to better lives and outcomes, it's also often a helluva lot cheaper than waiting for the ER doc to intervene as the health care of last resort. Likewise, trying to clean-up the mess with a punitive-only system with armed cops after the fact is often too late, too costly, and comes at the tail end of a lot of innocent (and not-so-innocent) victims in society leading up to that point.
America loves the cure, not the prevention. That's part of the problem. We celebrate firefighters jumping with babies through burning windows, but we yawn at the guy installing and testing smoke alarms. It's no wonder so many Americans have hang-ups about wearing masks in an epidemic... can't be bothered with prevention when I might face a little discomfort or inconvenience. Just give me a pill when I catch COVID-19.
There will always be criminals, sociopaths, etc. But cops should not be the magic service butler every time to cover for a failed civic social net. And in our gun culture, every intervention involving armed people is going to result in violent escalations ... which is fundamentally what many of the protests are about. White, black or purple, there's no reason for unarmed people winding up dead over a $20 check forgery, for selling illegal cigarettes, etc. That's just nuts and, well, barbaric.
Cops should be used for the situations where armed responses are the last resort, when you have a situation where life or death protocols might come in. That should not be the response to the first cry for help.
I understand. That’s why I responded that you cannot treat Floyd’s death as just another death no matter what. I’m lost how this is a counter to Swag’s post.
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"The dispute before the Court is not whether [Department of Homeland Security] may rescind DACA. All parties agree that it may. The dispute is instead primarily about the procedure the agency followed in doing so," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the majority.
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"The dispute before the Court is not whether [Department of Homeland Security] may rescind DACA. All parties agree that it may. The dispute is instead primarily about the procedure the agency followed in doing so," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the majority.
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Care to back that last bit up? Most developed countries that use elements of “rehabilitative Justice” instead of stricter American style retributive with mandatory minimums, have far lesser rates of recidivism. And while there are arguments on just how much rehabilitative Justice lowers recidivism, the vast majority of studies show it does in fact lower the rates.
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.lawsocsci.3.081806.112833
A prison system that lets people out with zero money, close to zero prospects for employment, a shitty welfare system, poor social services and community support, etc... No need to wonder why like 75% have reoffended within 5 years in America.... Of course there are people who can’t be rehabilitated, but they generally make up the minority of criminals. Supporting people becoming productive members of society while serving time, and helping them find gainful employment after is obviously beneficial
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.lawsocsci.3.081806.112833
A prison system that lets people out with zero money, close to zero prospects for employment, a shitty welfare system, poor social services and community support, etc... No need to wonder why like 75% have reoffended within 5 years in America.... Of course there are people who can’t be rehabilitated, but they generally make up the minority of criminals. Supporting people becoming productive members of society while serving time, and helping them find gainful employment after is obviously beneficial