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[campionesidd]

Raw numbers of a 2004 observational study of 1365 drug store shoppers reveal that Hispanics and Blacks between the ages of 35 and 54 were most likely to steal - then the scientists in charge started to apply as many models as were required to skew the numbers in order to arrive at the conclusions that won't cost their jobs. (why the berkeley prof had to write anonymously)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...eals_A_study_of_covertly_observed_shoplifters
Racial profiling makes all the sense in the world but of course harrassing the same guy 56 times is just bullying and a waste of ressources

Even if you assume that most crimes are committed by blacks or hispanics, the percentage of Blacks and Hispanics who are criminals is still a very tiny minority. 97-98% of the population suffers because of 2-3% of people. That is not how society should work.

 

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[king Ale]

I sometimes wonder how much of this is actual bias and potential racism, and how much of it is conditioned fear by the people in question.

I've been "followed" around stores many times before. It's usually smaller stores where 1 or 2 people keep an eye on customers, they will ask if you need help multiple times, if you happen to look around you can see they will quickly look away from you, they will keep moving to stay in a line of sight. That person is clearly watching me, whether they think I look like I might steal something, or if it is over-zealous assistance. As a lone shopper it also happens far more. In my mind I don't consider that I fit into a profile of someone more likely to steal than a couple shopping together, a little old lady, a middle-aged, well-dressed woman, but if I was a black person would I automatically associate it as "oh right, it's because I am black"? Obviously I'm never going to understand it from that point of view, but there is historical cause and effect at play here.

The other thing is, in these stores, who is doing the actual shoplifting. Is there a reason why they consciously follow black people around stores? To me people who steal things either do it from impulsion (there are associated conditions), because they can't afford to buy it, or they are drug addicts. As the research is only targeting discriminated groups, it would also be interesting to see personal experiences across all customers.

It's conditioned fear but it goes hand in hand with bias; basically you have witnessed or heard about incidents when a black person has shoplifted. The next black person you see may or may not shoplift, but your judgment is biased towards thinking he/she would steal something. The key here is that while, purely probabilistically speaking, a random black person is more likely to shoplift than a random white, the black person is still much more likely to not shoplift than to shoplift (again probabilistically speaking).

The research was not targeting only the historically discriminated groups but asked anyone to mention an incident they thought was discriminatory. The responses were all over the place for every other demographic with no common theme emerging (for example a white woman said she and her family went to an upscale restaurant to celebrate her son's graduation and they thought the servers didn't attend to them the way they serve other customers because they didn't look like the typical patrons of that restaurant), but for black people, being followed in stores when shopping was the most common experience that would happen the most frequently, even if you control for the person's education and income levels (which likely affects the way they are dressed or conduct themselves). So a black person who thinks has gotten his life in order still experiences that only because he is black. Doesn't mean others wouldn't experience this and doesn't mean there is no explanation for this bias, but when you try to see how a black person construes these experiences individually you realize it's a completely different picture as he is much more likely than any other demographic to automatically represent the negative stereotypes associated with his race no matter what he's achieved and where in life he stands.

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Even if you assume that most crimes are committed by blacks or hispanics, the percentage of Blacks and Hispanics who are criminals is still a very tiny minority. 97-98% of the population suffers because of 2-3% of people. That is not how society should work.

Precisely.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Even if you assume that most crimes are committed by blacks or hispanics, the percentage of Blacks and Hispanics who are criminals is still a very tiny minority. 97-98% of the population suffers because of 2-3% of people. That is not how society should work.

At least 30% of black males have felony convictions. I know you want to believe otherwise but at some point we have to face the music.

 

[Bjerknes]

Guess it makes more sense in your hypothetical to frame the one guy who did it rather than the guy who is dead. Maybe he should wonder what if this one guy had moved his knee before that other guy died so his assets hadn't become worthless overnight. Maybe he should wonder why someone (and not a random crazy person, but a police officer) who KNOWS he's being filmed kills another person in daylight, was it because his prior was that there will no consequences? I mean, anyone with minimum reasoning capabilities will know "the death of one guy" wasn't the cause of what happened but perhaps that's why the guy you describe there seems like a loser.

But if that one guy didn’t die, none of this would happened. Businesses would still exist, the police department would still exist, and housing prices would still remain where they were a month ago.

If you think the person I described is a loser, then you simply don’t understand anything about America.

 

[Alen]

At least 30% of black males have felony convictions. I know you want to believe otherwise but at some point we have to face the music.

That's a terrifying number. Where did you get it from? (serious question)
I'd be ok with enslaving them again even if it was only 2-3%, as sidd said, but with 30% I'd be all for repealing the 13th amendment (serious again).

 

[Bjerknes]

Tbh, I thought tuzzers are just being edgy/joking with "all this because of this one guy" stuff. It's not like George Floyd decided "aah, fuck it, let's do this boys", he was killed ffs

He was, but let’s not act like anybody here actually cares about the guy. I mean seriously. He’s nothing but a political pawn.


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I don't think it would have happened to this extent without COVID. I think the other subtext is continued frustration with the Racist in Chief, which is what you point out here as well.

I can't really speak to the video being different, as I have refused to watch it. I don't need any more evidence to be convinced that -- even if it isn't an "epidemic" like some want to frame it as -- there are unarmed black people (and non-black too) getting offed by criminal cops. The police need a Catholic-Church-pedo-level cleanout for it. But saying ACAB is no better than saying all blacks are looters.

I still haven’t seen any evidence as to proof he’s racist, other than what the left thinks as “code.”

Biden tells black people they’re not black and he’s the race advocate. This country is a joke.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

That's a terrifying number. Where did you get it from? (serious question)
I'd be ok with enslaving them again even if it was only 2-3%, as sidd said, but with 30% I'd be all for repealing the 13th amendment (serious again).

https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1...QtTd1alIFBkHajdo4QVT1CPUCL7C_5xQhC8-ZXzjA6g==

 

[Ronn]

At least 30% of black males have felony convictions. I know you want to believe otherwise but at some point we have to face the music.

In 1980 it was 13%. I wonder what happened in past 37 years.

 

[king Ale]

But if that one guy didn’t die, none of this would happened. Businesses would still exist, the police department would still exist, and housing prices would still remain where they were a month ago.

If you think the person I described is a loser, then you simply don’t understand anything about America.

I'm sure he didn't mean to, I hope you find it in your heart to forgive him.

As for your person, I doubt his poor reasoning skills had no effect on the unfortunate situation he is in. Shit happens, hopefully he'll put in more effort and land on his feet

 

[GordoDeCentral]

In 1980 it was 13%. I wonder what happened in past 37 years.

It's not like racism was worse the last 40 years than before. But you know what else had a significant spike, children out of wedlock, over 70% in blacks.

 

[Kopanja]

He was, but let’s not act like anybody here actually cares about the guy. I mean seriously. He’s nothing but a political pawn.

Well, I don't know about that, not an American. Though in a similar (not race-based, but policy-brutality) cases here in our shitholes many people (me included) indeed care about victims and their families. But here everyone hates cops, this issue is not that polarizing.
I guess it both. Someone is going to use him as a political pawn, which is disgusting. Someone will try to paint him as a martyr – at the end of the day the man lost his life in a broad daylight for basically no reason at all, this is martyr stuff in my book. Also, someone is going to defame a dead guy, go through his dirty laundry, like it's his fault that a cop decided to kill him, not someone more "reputable". Frankly, that just even more repugnant.

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm sure he didn't mean to, I hope you find it in your heart to forgive him.

As for your person, I doubt his poor reasoning skills had no effect on the unfortunate situation he is in. Shit happens, hopefully he'll put in more effort and land on his feet

Obviously he didn’t mean to, but looks like you’re Intentionally missing the point.

 

[Ronn]

It's not like racism was worse the last 40 years than before. But you know what else had a significant spike, children out of wedlock, over 70% in blacks.

What happened was war on drugs particularly. It’s true that racism suddenly didn’t get worse, but did we see a sudden shift in personal responsibility of black people? I doubt it.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well, I don't know about that, not an American. Though in a similar (not race-based, but policy-brutality) cases here in our shitholes many people (me included) indeed care about victims and their families. But here everyone hates cops, this issue is not that polarizing.
I guess it both. Someone is going to use him as a political pawn, which is disgusting. Someone will try to paint him as a martyr – at the end of the day the man lost his life in a broad daylight for basically no reason at all, this is martyr stuff in my book. Also, someone is going to defame a dead guy, go through his dirty laundry, like it's his fault that a cop decided to kill him, not someone more "reputable". Frankly, that just even more repugnant.

The point is it’s fake outrage. We wouldn’t be talking about the guy if he was killed by a black guy. It’s social manipulation.

 

[Alen]

Obviously he didn’t mean to, but looks like you’re Intentionally missing the point.

She got yours. I think you're missing hers

 

[Enron]

What happened was war on drugs particularly. It’s true that racism suddenly didn’t get worse, but did we see a sudden shift in personal responsibility of black people? I doubt it.

crack is wack

 

[Kopanja]

The point is it’s fake outrage. We wouldn’t be talking about the guy if he was killed by a black guy. It’s social manipulation.

Really? I mean, I have a war still going on in 2 hours ride from my home, but that video was a bit too much. But that's me.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What happened was war on drugs particularly. It’s true that racism suddenly didn’t get worse, but did we see a sudden shift in personal responsibility of black people? I doubt it.

While war on drugs was a total disaster and a cautionary tale of govt trying to solve social issues through policy, it is well known that black culture are nortoriously external when it comes to locus of power. Which many people argue leads to over all poorer choices. And in my opinion, the fact that govt programs and democrats constantly telling them that they don't have in them to succeed without their help is a great contributor to that trait.

 

[Post Ironic]

He was, but let’s not act like anybody here actually cares about the guy. I mean seriously. He’s nothing but a political pawn.


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I still haven’t seen any evidence as to proof he’s racist, other than what the left thinks as “code.”

Biden tells black people they’re not black and he’s the race advocate. This country is a joke.

Country is a joke because of Biden? Lol

You voted for a guy whose admin is now sanctioning International Criminal Court officials for trying to prosecute war criminals. The Trump administration is the biggest joke in modern American history. Y’all elected a lame duck, twitter ranting, reality tv conman to build a wall to keep out dem scummy immigrants and to repeal Obamacare and take health care away from millions of poor “leech fuck” Americans. Amusingly enough, he has even failed at both of these.

But yes, Biden is the problem lol

 

[Bjerknes]

Country is a joke because of Biden? Lol

You voted for a guy whose admin is now sanctioning International Criminal Court officials for trying to prosecute war criminals. The Trump administration is the biggest joke in modern American history. Y’all elected a lame duck, twitter ranting, reality tv conman to build a wall to keep out dem scummy immigrants and to repeal Obamacare and take health care away from millions of poor “leech fuck” Americans. Amusingly enough, he has even failed at both of these.

But yes, Biden is the problem lol

Biden is a huge problem. A career politician race baiting the entire nation to win votes? He actually seemed sane back in the day, sad.

That reality TV conman worked for NBC for like 15 years. NBC, the supposed purveyors of all things race woke. Yet they employed a known racist for 15 years?

It's all a fraud, just like the Russia hoax.