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L'autista
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Guess it makes more sense in your hypothetical to frame the one guy who did it rather than the guy who is dead. Maybe he should wonder what if this one guy had moved his knee before that other guy died so his assets hadn't become worthless overnight. Maybe he should wonder why someone (and not a random crazy person, but a police officer) who KNOWS he's being filmed kills another person in daylight, was it because his prior was that there will no consequences? I mean, anyone with minimum reasoning capabilities will know "the death of one guy" wasn't the cause of what happened but perhaps that's why the guy you describe there seems like a loser.
It was the catalyst. But an Amy Cooper has as much to do with it to even the bigger issue: COVID. COVID and this are inextricably linked and don't get enough credit. That's what's truly different this time from the billions of videos before of unarmed black men getting murdered.
 

king Ale

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It was the catalyst. But an Amy Cooper has as much to do with it to even the bigger issue: COVID. COVID and this are inextricably linked and don't get enough credit. That's what's truly different this time from the billions of videos before of unarmed black men getting murdered.
I think Covid intensified and prolonged what was going to happen anyway. The video was at least to me the most appalling of all similar things that had happened and been recorded before, which is why it made its way even to the people outside the US who'd never heard of other cases involving police in the US. Also, the very existence of Trump, not because of what he did or said nor because this had anything to do with him, but because of the dark dystopian path liberals think the country is on because of him, imo contributed to at least white people's being a big part of the protests (were they this involved in any of the previous protests?).
 

X Æ A-12

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It was the catalyst. But an Amy Cooper has as much to do with it to even the bigger issue: COVID. COVID and this are inextricably linked and don't get enough credit. That's what's truly different this time from the billions of videos before of unarmed black men getting murdered.
Of course. You wouldn't have seen so many college kids if they were still in work, school and had been able to see friends for the past few months.

A lot of people who are agitated, extremely bored, don't have usual distractions like sports, and not optimistic for the future who wouldn't have joined these protests otherwise
 

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Guess it makes more sense in your hypothetical to frame the one guy who did it rather than the guy who is dead. Maybe he should wonder what if this one guy had moved his knee before that other guy died so his assets hadn't become worthless overnight. Maybe he should wonder why someone (and not a random crazy person, but a police officer) who KNOWS he's being filmed kills another person in daylight, was it because his prior was that there will no consequences? I mean, anyone with minimum reasoning capabilities will know "the death of one guy" wasn't the cause of what happened but perhaps that's why the guy you describe there seems like a loser.
Spot on.

The conservative pity party in this thread the past couple weeks has been amusing to witness.
 

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L'autista
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I think Covid intensified and prolonged what was going to happen anyway. The video was at least to me the most appalling of all similar things that had happened and been recorded before, which is why it made its way even to the people outside the US who'd never heard of other cases involving police in the US. Also, the very existence of Trump, not because of what he did or said nor because this had anything to do with him, but because of the dark dystopian path liberals think the country is on because of him, imo contributed to at least white people's being a big part of the protests (were they this involved in any of the previous protests?).
I don't think it would have happened to this extent without COVID. I think the other subtext is continued frustration with the Racist in Chief, which is what you point out here as well.

I can't really speak to the video being different, as I have refused to watch it. I don't need any more evidence to be convinced that -- even if it isn't an "epidemic" like some want to frame it as -- there are unarmed black people (and non-black too) getting offed by criminal cops. The police need a Catholic-Church-pedo-level cleanout for it. But saying ACAB is no better than saying all blacks are looters.
 

king Ale

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I don't think it would have happened to this extent without COVID. I think the other subtext is continued frustration with the Racist in Chief, which is what you point out here as well.

I can't really speak to the video being different, as I have refused to watch it. I don't need any more evidence to be convinced that -- even if it isn't an "epidemic" like some want to frame it as -- there are unarmed black people (and non-black too) getting offed by criminal cops. The police need a Catholic-Church-pedo-level cleanout for it. But saying ACAB is no better than saying all blacks are looters.
It's probably as wrong factually but still a little bit better from other perspectives :p At least a cop can resign and be no longer a bastard, unless we take the word literally :grin:
 

lgorTudor

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Guess it makes more sense in your hypothetical to frame the one guy who did it rather than the guy who is dead. Maybe he should wonder what if this one guy had moved his knee before that other guy died so his assets hadn't become worthless overnight. Maybe he should wonder why someone (and not a random crazy person, but a police officer) who KNOWS he's being filmed kills another person in daylight, was it because his prior was that there will no consequences? I mean, anyone with minimum reasoning capabilities will know "the death of one guy" wasn't the cause of what happened but perhaps that's why the guy you describe there seems like a loser.
Now this is an example of justifying and excusing crimes by shifting responsibility (contrary to the Berkeley professor)
 

king Ale

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This is old, but still relevant.
Similar thing happens at a much more micro level as well. I was an RA on a large scale research about discrimination, where people were asked to mention an incident they were being discriminated against because of their race, religion, gender, etc. The only demographic that had one common incident happening to them significantly more frequently than any other incidents were blacks (men and women), and the incident was being followed by the store staff when shopping. This would happen at various levels of income and education; meaning you could be a black person with a master's degree earning $100,000 a year, and you would still be likely to have experienced that.
 

JuveJay

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Similar thing happens at a much more micro level as well. I was an RA on a large scale research about discrimination, where people were asked to mention an incident they were being discriminated against because of their race, religion, gender, etc. The only demographic that had one common incident happening to them significantly more frequently than any other incidents were blacks (men and women), and the incident was being followed by the store staff when shopping. This would happen at various levels of income and education; meaning you could be a black person with a master's degree earning $100,000 a year, and you would still be likely to have experienced that.
I sometimes wonder how much of this is actual bias and potential racism, and how much of it is conditioned fear by the people in question.

I've been "followed" around stores many times before. It's usually smaller stores where 1 or 2 people keep an eye on customers, they will ask if you need help multiple times, if you happen to look around you can see they will quickly look away from you, they will keep moving to stay in a line of sight. That person is clearly watching me, whether they think I look like I might steal something, or if it is over-zealous assistance. As a lone shopper it also happens far more. In my mind I don't consider that I fit into a profile of someone more likely to steal than a couple shopping together, a little old lady, a middle-aged, well-dressed woman, but if I was a black person would I automatically associate it as "oh right, it's because I am black"? Obviously I'm never going to understand it from that point of view, but there is historical cause and effect at play here.

The other thing is, in these stores, who is doing the actual shoplifting. Is there a reason why they consciously follow black people around stores? To me people who steal things either do it from impulsion (there are associated conditions), because they can't afford to buy it, or they are drug addicts. As the research is only targeting discriminated groups, it would also be interesting to see personal experiences across all customers.
 

Osman

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This is old, but still relevant.

I wonder what you write in report you justify the 256th time you arrested this dude for nothing, I'm genuinely curious what they put in. Their superiors or court threw out the arrest/charges every other time, but this time its different, its friday again, lets just arrest him while he is working? o_O

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wow that's pretty much digusting
I mean not even in Italy such things happen

They not even ashamed about it dude lol, they litterally go to his work to arrest him, let him out, then do the same thing weekly? Teeeh fuck?
 

X Æ A-12

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56 times by the same department? that is not the police just thinking he's breaking in cause he is black they are genuinely targeting/ harrasing that guy for some reason.
 

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L'autista
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56 times by the same department? that is not the police just thinking he's breaking in cause he is black they are genuinely targeting/ harrasing that guy for some reason.
Something is messed up, The average cop on a beat will remember someone from once or twice as a "frequent flier". This is a thing. But 56 shows either complete negligence, ignorance, or they have it out for the guy.

Frequent flyers also annoy cops because they take up so much attention and resources... they're incentivized not to arrest the guy 56 times.
 

lgorTudor

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The other thing is, in these stores, who is doing the actual shoplifting.
Raw numbers of a 2004 observational study of 1365 drug store shoppers reveal that Hispanics and Blacks between the ages of 35 and 54 were most likely to steal - then the scientists in charge started to apply as many models as were required to skew the numbers in order to arrive at the conclusions that won't cost their jobs. (why the berkeley prof had to write anonymously)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...eals_A_study_of_covertly_observed_shoplifters
Racial profiling makes all the sense in the world but of course harrassing the same guy 56 times is just bullying and a waste of ressources
 
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