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GordoDeCentral

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Like he says in one of the videos above, if he could spark something in someone better than him then that was his goal. But I always wonder about a percentage of black people in America whether they can identify with say, a Barack Obama, or another educated or powerful black person as much as they can with a Tupac. Don't they get called "too white", white-raised, white philosophies and so on? I find that so frustrating, as if improving yourself is a bad thing.

It's such a complex issue, but right now I see education taking a back seat. With Trump as president and a lockdown in place maybe this was just the perfect storm.
That's the problem, success is seen as a betrayal to the "culture" not to mention the discrimination against "light skinned" blacks.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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It can reduce the police violence rate too. Less crime, less police involvement, less police violence.
Yep. The best way to avoid police violence is to decriminalize something. Or ask the police not to enforce the law for it.

I know it's long but it's really eye opening

That opening was way too Seinfeldian.
Modi and his cronies. (Don't tell me you didn't see this coming :p)

Edit: In case you weren't aware, the MSM here is mostly pro-govt, most of the ppl reporting against the govt have been forced out of MSM and into independent media, label such independent media as "pro-communist, anti-national" so that people themselves avoid reading them (no govt censorship necessary), companies frequently practice self-censorship to avoid the wrath of the govt, etc.
:tup: Word. Thanks for the heads-up on the latest.

Sorry to the democrats here, your party is literally ruining everything they touch.

First the destroyed my favorite cartoon by banning Elmer Fudds gun, now this.

Get your fucking party back to normal already.
I think it's really convenient to believe that it's all that reductionist, black and white and all. But this buys into oversimplification of people and the world.

That's because we're still pretending to be a democracy. But over the last 9 months, we've shifted into 4th gear and show no signs of looking back. But the basic tenets are there. The ruling party is the political wing of an organization whose leaders loved Nazis and Fascists, and many of the tenets of Fascism are there to see. We've even had an MP give a speech in our Parliament on the signs of fascism that we've already met. Trust me, we're getting there real fast. And with Modi and Trump being such buddies, I wouldn't expect the US Right to call it out until things get really worse. Thankfully, they seemed to have at least taken notice and called out our record-breaking internet blockades and the passing of unsecular citizenship law.
Modimania is a thing. I don't get it.

There are no black people in Portland. :stuckup:

Businesses are slaves to their consumers. Kaepernick’s protest wasn’t tolerated because of the fear that fans would stop watching the NFL. Apply that here and you will understand what HBO is doing. They are not supposed to make a moral decision (or say the right decision), they will make the decision they think is best i.e., least costly for them. And they are not erasing history, they are just not showing it on their platform. Many social media fitness and wellness businesses that i knew run by people who were Trump fans had to come out and post something, anything, condemning police brutality, something they would never personally do. And who forms the majority of online fitness and wellness followers? Young liberals.
Yep. Their loyalties are only as good as their revenue streams.

Polarization. It's fantastic!
As much as Nassim Taleb is a total d%$k, I do agree with him on this much: the system is biased towards extremism because the "holier than thou" mantra only works by edging people out further at the extremes.

Why did you tag me bruh? Now I'll be watched by the all seeing cyber army of bhakts :D

The problem with Congress is that the old guard still wants a Gandhi at the helm. To them it's part of the party's identity. The party really has to crash and burn and emerge with new leadership. The sad part is that they do have really capable young leaders who are being sidelined.
For the country itself, the only hope is that regional parties rise in power again and eventually form a third front that can challenge BJP federally. Regional parties played an important role in squeezing out power when Indira Gandhi was abusing it and they should be able to do it again. At least in the South, regional parties are now pumping in money with the next election in mind. And with how the state elections have gone in the past year, with BJP losing or only narrowly winning, there is some hope left.
Of all the things that's going wrong, it's what's happening with the judiciary that's the most concerning and the most saddening. They are setting precedents that'll continue to put the country in a hole long after BJP loses power.
Ah, the man I wanted to hear from on this! :D The person I first asked "WTF?" when Modi got elected.

Congress sounds a lot like the ANC when you put it like that. And we all know what the C stands for.

Agree 100%. I said it last week, in all these protests and riots I don't see anyone close to MLK or X coming out of the Ashes to represent and lead this Current generation. They have no one, sadly.
I am done with leaderism. Nobody is coming to save you. There is no messiah to take you to the promised land. Humans are all fallible and imperfect. You do your hero-worship and put your faith in a single individual, you are doomed for failure.

My boyfriend's parents are Modi supporters. The conversation they had with their son (in my presence) during the Delhi riots was so much fun :grin:
Also some of the most powerful Indian academics I know in econ/business are supporting Modi. I have never seen an academic trusting a politician in the way some of the US based Indian academics support Modi's politics.
Maybe something to do with the Indian expat experience??

Also why do backs need a representative? And if it is indeed someone like tupac it is exactly the reason why they are struggling as a culture and community.
Exactly.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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those pesky laws criminalizing peaceful protests and reporting need to change!
As someone who had rubber bullets shot at him in a UC Berkeley People’s Park protest march where I was merely an observer, let me tell you this. Along with organized marchers for a protest, you always get bored high school kids from the nearby suburbs who are like, “Is this a private riot, or can anybody join in?”
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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What that means to me is racism which is legally sanctioned within institutions. I don't believe that exists in the US
Is it systemic racism when the job offers for government jobs or tax funded media outlets openly say that minorities will be favored when deciding between two candidates with equal qualification? If yes, then there is systemic racism in Germany for sure
 

Juventus 32

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May 18, 2014
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The problem is the American political spectrum is so fucked up.
Left and right have no real meaning.
The far left is off the deep end on social issues, just like the far right are on the other end. Moderates are fine socially but still really right wing when it comes to economic policy.
so there’s really just three options:
1) Far left: Ridiculous social policy, okay on economics but not great because everything will be tied to equality of outcome, not opportunity.
2) Centrist: pretty great socially but will continue to screw over the middle class and poor. Will give rise to both extremes because people will be discontent financially.
3) Far right: the nightmare we’ve been living right now. Could be even worse if Trump get re-elected.
The biggest nightmare in US is that you can't express your opionion openly anymore...becuase is the risk that the liberal mob will kick you from work,universities,practically destroy your life, if that opinion isn't matched with theirs. That's fucking scary.

For the wrong word,they will eat even their own.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...sh-deleted-tweet-using-term-people-color.html
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Good question, I've been wondering the same. It's hard to find a clear definition online.

Funny enough, heard this on BBC this morning - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52993306
Racism is thinking one race is superior and act on that. Nothing can change that. If we are dealing with another phenomenon we should find another name for it.

The belief that blacks in the US are more likely to commit a crime than nonblacks is similar to the belief that men are more likely to commit a crime than women. Blacks and men are disproportionally more likely than non-blacks and women to be stopped by police. Nobody finds the latter discriminatory although the disproportion rate is far higher there. Both beliefs are rooted in our screening of the environment we are living in. Both beliefs are stereotypical and biased but that's all they are. Having lived in Philly in the past 7 years, the assailant/suspect in every single alert I have received on my phone from the university police about a crime, from theft to armed robbery and aggravated assault, is a black man. Now I'm coming from another country, and I see myself as very empathic towards the poor and marginalized and vulnerable. When walking home at night in an uncrowded street though, I feel much more threatened when I see a black than a white person coming towards me, a lot more threatened when I see a man than a woman. I am stereotyping, and police do that too. There are two differences though: one, the police have screened the environment a lot more than me and have had more exposure to what's happening out there (doesn't mean there are no racist cops but the % is probably proportional to the % of racist people in the country), and two, while my stereotyping will make me cross the street or be more alert about a potential threat, Police's stereotyping can take an innocent person's life, so we should use incidents like this to demand reform because any life that's taken unjustifiably is worth our attention, sympathy and call for a change.
 

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