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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Isn't that the guy who was a huge invade Iraqtard and invade Irantard, and then resigned because he was pissed Trump pulled troops from Syria? Sounds like he loves the Constitution.
I don’t know about Iraq, and fairly sure he wasn’t for military intervention against Iran, but his disagreement with Trump was over fucking Kurds over and leaving them to Erdogan after ISIS was defeated.
it’s funny you brought up Iran after Trump almost started a war with them earlier this year.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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I don’t know about Iraq, and fairly sure he wasn’t for military intervention against Iran, but his disagreement with Trump was over fucking Kurds over and leaving them to Erdogan after ISIS was defeated.
it’s funny you brought up Iran after Trump almost started a war with them earlier this year.
Apparently Obama took him off Centcom command because he was an Iranhawk. But who knows, I can't trust anything the media says anymore.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/james-mattis-iran-secretary-of-defense-214500

Whether Trump pulled out of Syria or sent more troops, it doesn't matter -- the resulting opinions would have been the same.

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Good, send them to jail like the rest of the clowns.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Apparently Obama took him off Centcom command because he was an Iranhawk. But who knows, I can't trust anything the media says anymore.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/james-mattis-iran-secretary-of-defense-214500

Whether Trump pulled out of Syria or sent more troops, it doesn't matter -- the resulting opinions would have been the same.
Yes it does. ISIS was terrorizing western cities, and war with ISIS could not be won without Kurds and leaving them to Turkey was a dick move.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Not making excuses as I wouldn't have done what Trump did, but everyone only refers to the Constitution when it suits them, it's a joke.
Dude. Literally any criticism of Trump brings you running to make excuses.

You talk about fake news media... but then give Donald a pass for telling a dozen blatant lies every day of his presidency. We all know CNN is sensationalist garbage and much of the media screws up regularly.

And he is doing exactly what Mattis says. Just a couple days ago he accused the “democrat mayor” of DC of not allowing the police to help the secret service against the rioting outside the White House, while almost simultaneously the secret service was thanking the police for their help lol. What exactly is he doing there aside from blatantly lying to rile up his base about evil democrats.

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@GordoDeCentral

Not exclusively Antifa, I guess. Both right and left extremists are taking advantage of these protests to create violence and mayhem. Two of these guys former military, one a reservist.
 
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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Dude. Literally any criticism of Trump brings you running to make excuses.

You talk about fake news media... but then give Donald a pass for telling a dozen blatant lies every day of his presidency. We all know CNN is sensationalist garbage and much of the media screws up regularly.

And he is doing exactly what Mattis says. Just a couple days ago he accused the “democrat mayor” of DC of not allowing the police to help the secret service against the rioting outside the White House, while almost simultaneously the secret service was thanking the police for their help lol
99% of the posts here criticize Trump, so pardon me for injecting something new, which didn't even have anything to do with Trump and was about Mattis. Even fucking Obama didn't like him. :lol:
 

Post Ironic

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99% of the posts here criticize Trump, so pardon me for injecting something new, which didn't even have anything to do with Trump and was about Mattis. Even fucking Obama didn't like him. :lol:
It’s fair enough to criticize Mattis on foreign policy points. But that has nothing to do with his criticisms here and doesn’t change that he’s spot on about Trump seeking to divide the nation for political gain, and this administration consistently behaving like a petulant child.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Yes it does. ISIS was terrorizing western cities, and war with ISIS could not be won without Kurds and leaving them to Turkey was a dick move.
Do you blame Obama and Hillary for the rise of ISIS in Syria?

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It’s fair enough to criticize Mattis on foreign policy points. But that has nothing to do with his criticisms here and doesn’t change that he’s spot on about Trump seeking to divide the nation for political gain, and this administration consistently behaving like a petulant child.
What's your argument for Trump "seeking to divide the nation?" The nation is already divided as fuck, not sure how it could get anymore divided.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Do you blame Obama and Hillary for the rise of ISIS in Syria?

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What's your argument for Trump "seeking to divide the nation?" The nation is already divided as fuck, not sure how it could get anymore divided.
Of course. Hillary less so because she was a cabinet member and she left the administration before the rise of ISIS anyway, but Obama’s fake red line gave a cart blanche to Assad to do whatever he liked. He did not evaluate the threat well.
 

Post Ironic

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Do you blame Obama and Hillary for the rise of ISIS in Syria?

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What's your argument for Trump "seeking to divide the nation?" The nation is already divided as fuck, not sure how it could get anymore divided.
Oh c’mon. He’s clearly trying to exacerbate and make that divide angrier and angrier. While Obama failed to live up to many of his promises, in part due to overreaching and making a lot of mistakes, in part due to hyper partisanship in congress and the senate stymying his policy plans, one thing he didn’t do was constantly stoke and fan the flames of divide and anger in America, which Trump quite obviously relishes in.

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https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...-endangering-local-protesters-and-police.html

And from a police chief in Pennsylvania more “definite evidence” of white nationalists groups agitating to create violence between police and peaceful protestors.

But those white nationalists aren’t really a threat at all, right @Bjerknes :p
 
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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Oh c’mon. He’s clearly trying to exacerbate and make that divide angrier and angrier. While Obama failed to live up to many of his promises, in part due to overreaching and making a lot of mistakes, in part due to hyper partisanship in congress and the senate stymying his policy plans, one thing he didn’t do was constantly stoke and fan the flames of divide and anger in America, which Trump quite obviously relishes in.
If you're upset about Trump taking the side of the police, Obama basically did the same thing by taking the side of the protesters while he was in office regardless of the event. Many argued that he was trying to exacerbate violence and make his base angrier and angrier, which, along with the racial angle, would help him and the Democrats. This is what politicians do. But I'm not sure how this would really help his cause.

With respect to the military threat, a trend with Trump is that he talks a big game to get a result, but then never does anything. Happened with NK, Iran, China, and other scenarios. He issues threats as deterrence, which is probably how he planned on leveraging the military. Not sure if the violence subsided because of those threats, or because everyone was tired or couldn't find anything else to loot, but even he isn't dumb enough to send the troops out unless it was the last resort, IMO.


https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...-endangering-local-protesters-and-police.html

And from a police chief in Pennsylvania more “definite evidence” of white nationalists groups agitating to create violence between police and peaceful protestors.

But those white nationalists aren’t really a threat at all, right @Bjerknes :p
And as expected, no actual "evidence" other than the people doing it were white.

If there isn't any ANTIFA threat, then I guess black people are just

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Now everyone hates Drew Brees because he thinks kneeling is disrespecting his grandfathers. He is "uneducated." Doesn't he take a knee at the end of games? Does he have any white receivers he can throw the ball to?
 
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