'Murica! (211 Viewers)

[Salvo]

No it's not, blacks kill whites almost twice as much as the other way around, and they only make up 13% of the population, let's stop making excuses for a culture that ought to be confronted and dealt with. Moreover feeling that something is justified doesn't make it so, can you even prove that what happened to floyd was racially motivated? What kind of legitimate plan backed up by experience and know how can you offer to fix this? See it's easy to find fault in everything a lot harder to figure why and even harder to come up with a better plan.

Forgive my ignorance regarding statistics

I can't say whether it was racially motivated, I think the biggest travesty in all of this is that a police officer kept his knee on another person's neck for an insane amount of time despite that other persons neck. Is that officer a racist? I have no idea what I can say is that symbolically it doesn't look great especially considering things that have happened in the past.

Would protests have been the same if Floyd was white? I doubt it but I also understand that Floyd is the straw that broke the camels back and that what is happening is a representation of frustrations that have been bubbling for a while now.

I can only make an educated guess, like I said, I can only offer my perception as an outsider looking in.

 

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[Hust]

But I agree with you (if that wasn't apparent yet )

 

[Salvo]

Not when those being gunned down are kids being hit by stray gang bullets, etc. A lot of these kids being gunned down aren't thugs, they are kids with bright futures ahead of them and there needs to be outrage for that too. These city mayors seem to brush this under the rug as another day in the city.

it's terrible that any innocent life is taken , I wasn't for a second saying all victims are thugs but saying a criminal who takes a life isn't going to get the same reaction as a police officer, someone who is upholding the law, who is representative of the law, that takes another person's life without justification.

I'm not for a second saying that one is worse than the other, what I am saying is that the standards are different.

I also have to say I feel incredibly sad for all those police officers who have the best intentions and want to make a positive change in their communities. It is sad that they are caught up in all of this. That call to defund the police is ridiculous, what is needed is better vetting, training and less tolerance of unethical behaviour.

 

[Salvo]

But I agree with you (if that wasn't apparent yet )

I also want to say I hope all of you who live in the US and are from the US are safe and stay that way. For you and your families.

It's just a real fucked up situation and a hell of a year this world is going through.

 

[Enron]

If anyone decides to throw out their hip hop cds, holla at your boy before you do.

 

[Bjerknes]

If anyone decides to throw out their hip hop cds, holla at your boy before you do.

You can have everything other than Gang Starr and KRS-One.

 

[Osman]

Another case in point -- ownage.

I seen this like 5 years ago. Is as powerful then as it would be now.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Forgive my ignorance regarding statistics

I can't say whether it was racially motivated, I think the biggest travesty in all of this is that a police officer kept his knee on another person's neck for an insane amount of time despite that other persons neck. Is that officer a racist? I have no idea what I can say is that symbolically it doesn't look great especially considering things that have happened in the past.

Would protests have been the same if Floyd was white? I doubt it but I also understand that Floyd is the straw that broke the camels back and that what is happening is a representation of frustrations that have been bubbling for a while now.

I can only make an educated guess, like I said, I can only offer my perception as an outsider looking in.

We are all outsiders, and that's really the key, you can't just have an educated stance and base it on anecdotes. And if floyd was white you wouldn't hear about it. Once again, just because you feel frustration it doesn't mean it's justified, they have been told all their lives they are victims, and the victimization machine upped it a notch with Trump as prez. People still bring up slavery as a reason why they have failed in life ffs.

Now onto police brutality, do we hold policy makers to the same standards, say for example if we tasked someone to reform the police and they royally fuck up and cause deaths, will they be going to jail? Would you want to take on that responsibility if this was at stake?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Celebrities are pushing a new agenda to defend police (and use on healthcare & education). How is that going to help these urban communities without a police presence? Look at the cities now being overrun WITH POLICE. What's going to happen if they all go away?

Why don't celebrities donate their own armed security to families with kids trying to make it out of their communities where they can't afford big gated housing?

Seems to be working well in Baltimore.

 

[Hust]

Seems to be working well in Baltimore.

hate that city

 

[X Æ A-12]

hate that city

i think everyone does

 

[Salvo]

We are all outsiders, and that's really the key, you can't just have an educated stance and base it on anecdotes. And if floyd was white you wouldn't hear about it. Once again, just because you feel frustration it doesn't mean it's justified, they have been told all their lives they are victims, and the victimization machine upped it a notch with Trump as prez. People still bring up slavery as a reason why they have failed in life ffs.

Now onto police brutality, do we hold policy makers to the same standards, say for example if we tasked someone to reform the police and they royally fuck up and cause deaths, will they be going to jail? Would you want to take on that responsibility if this was at stake?

Look the last point you bring up is a really tough one, i think it would really depend if it was some grand scale negligence then possibly. I think a valid and reasonable attempt at reform can't be met with a potential jail sentence, it's definitely tough but would you agree that something has to be done?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Look the last point you bring up is a really tough one, i think it would really depend if it was some grand scale negligence then possibly. I think a valid and reasonable attempt at reform can't be met with a potential jail sentence, it's definitely tough but would you agree that something has to be done?

Reform is a nice word, that everyone can get behind, however no one knows a priori if it is a reform until much later. My point is in general we don't take policy makers to task, that's why we have so many idiots screaming all kinds of 'reforms'.

Personally, if there's one thing i would do away in the police, that's unions and scientific reevaluation of case closure stats.

 

[Ronn]

It took CNN two days to finally cover it, look at the timestamps.

Case in point... Google searches below...


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It's funny you think that's funny considering everyone's thoughts on Faux News for years. Now that CNN does it it's OK.

You can criticize any individual outlet if you think they are misleading but unloading on “Media” as a whole is indeed funny.
for the record I hate CNN even more than Fox. With Fox at least you know what you’re getting. With CNN it’s just sensationalized bullshit.

 

[Hust]

I think one of the most tragic outcomes out of all of this (death being the worst) is how minority businesses are being destroyed.


That is tragic. It's sad and it's frustrating as hell to watch.

 

[lgorTudor]

However, a few recent studies upended the conventional wisdom on this by pointing to evidence that police might be more hesitant to use deadly force against black suspects, as opposed to white suspects. Such studies leveled up the stakes around the so-called “Ferguson Effect”: Not only were cops scaling back their policing to avoid potential public scrutiny, as this effect supposes, but they’re now being more racist towards white people, these new studies allege.

Another study, conducted by Harvard sociologist Roland Fryer last year, had similar findings. After examining over 1,300 police shootings in some of the nation’s largest cities, he found no evidence that police were more likely to shoot black suspects over whites. Wrote Fryer in the conclusion to his report: “It is plausible that racial differences in lower level uses of force are simply a distraction and movements such as Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behaviors of police and other external forces.”

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/02/is-reverse-racism-among-police-real/513503/

 

[campionesidd]

We are all outsiders, and that's really the key, you can't just have an educated stance and base it on anecdotes. And if floyd was white you wouldn't hear about it. Once again, just because you feel frustration it doesn't mean it's justified, they have been told all their lives they are victims, and the victimization machine upped it a notch with Trump as prez. People still bring up slavery as a reason why they have failed in life ffs.

Now onto police brutality, do we hold policy makers to the same standards, say for example if we tasked someone to reform the police and they royally fuck up and cause deaths, will they be going to jail? Would you want to take on that responsibility if this was at stake?

I get your point, but does social mobility exist in today's America? If you're born in a lower income family in a poor neighborhood, do you really get the opportunities to make something out of your life? Growing up poor, in a terrible schooling system, in crime ridden neighborhood, what opportunites does an average person have? Sure, 1 out 100 people might be intelligent enough or good in sports to earn scholarships in college and 9 others might do something out of sheer luck, determination and other factors, but what about the other 90? This is not limited to just blacks, but also white and Latino neighborhoods. Just look at the opioid epidemic in poor white areas or the gang violence in Latino ones.
Conservatives always tell everyone to pull yourself up by your bootstrap, but they impose roadblocks at every turn to make this impossible by making healthcare less accessible, de-funding education, making stricter and stricter drug laws, and opposing birth control. They also oppose minimum wage, so it's impossible to earn a living wage by working low income jobs.
Meanwhile if your parents are rich and have gone to a good university, your life is pretty much set. Getting into college is easy and affordable, you can be on your parent's extensive healthcare plan for a long time and you can get higher income jobs more easily because your professional network is much wider and influential.
Again, this is not primarily a racial issue, but a social and economic one. Wealthy black kids are better off in life than poor white ones.
It just so happens that statistically African Americans are not nearly as wealthy as other minorities such as Indians, Koreans and Chinese, and there is no easy solution to change this.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I get your point, but does social mobility exist in today's America? If you're born in a lower income family in a poor neighborhood, do you really get the opportunities to make something out of your life? Growing up poor, in a terrible schooling system, in crime ridden neighborhood, what opportunites does an average person have? Sure, 1 out 100 people might be intelligent enough or good in sports to earn scholarships in college and 9 others might do something out of sheer luck, determination and other factors, but what about the other 90? This is not limited to just blacks, but also white and Latino neighborhoods. Just look at the opioid epidemic in poor white areas or the gang violence in Latino ones.
Conservatives always tell everyone to pull yourself up by your bootstrap, but they impose roadblocks at every turn to make this impossible by making healthcare less accessible, de-funding education, making stricter and stricter drug laws, and opposing birth control. They also oppose minimum wage, so it's impossible to earn a living wage by working low income jobs.
Meanwhile if your parents are rich and have gone to a good university, your life is pretty much set. Getting into college is easy and affordable, you can be on your parent's extensive healthcare plan for a long time and you can get higher income jobs more easily because your professional network is much wider and influential.
Again, this is not primarily a racial issue, but a social and economic one. Wealthy black kids are better off in life than poor white ones.
It just so happens that statistically African Americans are not nearly as wealthy as other minorities such as Indians, Koreans and Chinese, and there is no easy solution to change this.

No doubt, it's amazing how education has only gotten worse over the last few decades, but funnily enough that has little to do with finding and more a total failure by schools coupled with 0 cooperation from parents, or should i say parent since most don't have dads. I also believe the war on drugs was a total disaster and another example of rash govt intervention meant only to score political points.

The easy solution, and i think you are sick of me repeating it, is just like how you are able to criticize Muslims, whites, or men for perceived deficiencies in their behavior/views you ought to be able to do the same with blacks without being called a racist. Also stop telling them they are victims. Regardless of your socioeconomic status, i am sure you will not raise your kids to see themselves as inferior and with deck stacked against them, especially in a place like america. Where people far worse off still make it every day.

 

[Hust]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/didn-t-primary-wouldn-t-193453791.html


Never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[JuveJay]

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/02/is-reverse-racism-among-police-real/513503/

That one cop who shot at the black guy in the minus figure, maybe have a look at him