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Tickle Me
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You know I find it funny when people support laissez faire economy and criticize media business at the same time.
people support what they like, and most people don’t like to hear things contrary to their beliefs

even more so nowadays with political opinions so rigid and seen as actual fact rather than idealogy
 

Bjerknes

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It took CNN two days to finally cover it, look at the timestamps. :lol:

Case in point... Google searches below...


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You know I find it funny when people support laissez faire economy and criticize media business at the same time.
It's funny you think that's funny considering everyone's thoughts on Faux News for years. Now that CNN does it it's OK.
 

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Dec 17, 2007
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WARNING: Shows a dying man gasping for his lasts breaths.



77 year old retired police Captain shot and killed during looting trying to prevent TV theft where he worked security.

Too pissed to comment any further on it.
No political dogma is behind this. Only thugs that are taking advantage from this situation.
This. This is the problem though, people get into a group mentality where they think they are anonymous and can do what they like. It's incredibly sad as shit like this discredits the reason why so many people are protesting. The valid reasons people are protesting.
 

Salvo

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yeppers - like teachers, they are underpaid. I still think more pressure should be put on co-workers to report behavioral issues.

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The goal is to enrich the community I guess? Hollywood is a lost cause...

Here you go:

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...talie-portman-more-call-for-defunding-police/

I presume the moment police are defunded they too forfeit their right to armed security guards for protection?

Ridiculous hypocrisy.
Defunding the police is a ridiculous idea
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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This. This is the problem though, people get into a group mentality where they think they are anonymous and can do what they like. It's incredibly sad as shit like this discredits the reason why so many people are protesting. The valid reasons people are protesting.
There are a TON of videos on twitter the last couple of days where the genuine protesters are lashing out at the rioters causing trouble. It's actually quite remarkable to see the people there for a good cause pushing back immediately when they see something.

There was a video of a black girl handing a brick back to a white girl where the white girl(s) were handing them out to black youth to throw bricks. She screamed at them saying this is the shit that will get us killed you aren't with us and get the hell out, etc. I'll try to find it, maybe it was posted already.

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Here it is:

 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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There are a TON of videos on twitter the last couple of days where the genuine protesters are lashing out at the rioters causing trouble. It's actually quite remarkable to see the people there for a good cause pushing back immediately when they see something.

There was a video of a black girl handing a brick back to a white girl where the white girl(s) were handing them out to black youth to throw bricks. She screamed at them saying this is the shit that will get us killed you aren't with us and get the hell out, etc. I'll try to find it, maybe it was posted already.
I feel like it's a mix of idiots, people that are genuinely frustrated and resort to violence and looting and people that don't have good intentions whatsoever.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Another case in point -- ownage.

While this is a valid point and black on black crime is a massive issue it is about proximity as well, white on white crime is probably higher than white on black murder , black on black crime is higher than black on white crime. The other thing is sadly it is to be expected that criminals kill each other, police aren't meant to wrongfully kill people. The outrage is justified.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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I feel like it's a mix of idiots, people that are genuinely frustrated and resort to violence and looting and people that don't have good intentions whatsoever.
I think its the latter. Clearly those kids in the car only wanted to cause further mayhem. The lady made it quite clear the danger they were causing the black youths because she is right, that would have gotten them arrested or killed and defeats the intent of the protest in general.

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet here on the thread but there have been reports that around big cities people are finding random and stragtecally placed skids of bricks. The bricks on sidewalks don't fit any brick style in the neighborhood so LEO are trying to find the source and where they are being funded by, etc. I'll try to find info to post here. It's sketchy as fuck.
 

Salvo

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I think its the latter. Clearly those kids in the car only wanted to cause further mayhem. The lady made it quite clear the danger they were causing the black youths because she is right, that would have gotten them arrested or killed and defeats the intent of the protest in general.

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet here on the thread but there have been reports that around big cities people are finding random and stragtecally placed skids of bricks. The bricks on sidewalks don't fit any brick style in the neighborhood so LEO are trying to find the source and where they are being funded by, etc. I'll try to find info to post here. It's sketchy as fuck.
Very odd
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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While this is a valid point and black on black crime is a massive issue it is about proximity as well, white on white crime is probably higher than white on black murder , black on black crime is higher than black on white crime. The other thing is sadly it is to be expected that criminals kill each other, police aren't meant to wrongfully kill people. The outrage is justified.
Agree the outrage is justified but where is the equal outrage for the deaths in major cities do to homicide? Those numbers absolutely dwarf police brutality deaths.

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It is, this was a few days ago so I don't know if its been proven false yet or not. It was reported in quite a few hot spot locations so who knows.
 

Salvo

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Agree the outrage is justified but where is the equal outrage for the deaths in major cities do to homicide? Those numbers absolutely dwarf police brutality deaths.
The outrage should be there as well but you have to admit that the last person someone should be wrongfully murdered by is a person who is the face of the law, the people that are upholding the law. I know this is a ridiculous analogy but if I had a shit dinner cooked by a home cook I wouldn't be shocked or surprised, if a chef cooked it however I would be.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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The outrage should be there as well but you have to admit that the last person someone should be wrongfully murdered by is a person who is the face of the law, the people that are upholding the law. I know this is a ridiculous analogy but if I had a shit dinner cooked by a home cook I wouldn't be shocked or surprised, if a chef cooked it however I would be.
I agree. My concern is when this fizzles out and between then and when something like this happens again, will there be equal outrage at the high level of homicide deaths in big cities?

No one should die like that from police, and the outrage is obviously justified. But it shouldn't only surface ONLY when a white cop kills a black man. Black people should be furious at both sides.
 

campionesidd

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Agree the outrage is justified but where is the equal outrage for the deaths in major cities do to homicide? Those numbers absolutely dwarf police brutality deaths.
Police are expected to have standards. If the people who are supposed protect and serve the community start executing suspects willy nilly, people lose faith in the justice system. Also, the conviction rate for police after killing unarmed people is something like 1-2%. That is another reason why people are outraged. Do you really think the officer who killed George Floyd would be under arrest if there was no major protest?
And yes, the homicide rate in urban areas is an absolute travesty, but the solutions to this problem are much more complicated.
Watch this video by Trevor Noah to give you an idea why so many people are frustrated. He makes some very good points.
 

GordoDeCentral

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While this is a valid point and black on black crime is a massive issue it is about proximity as well, white on white crime is probably higher than white on black murder , black on black crime is higher than black on white crime. The other thing is sadly it is to be expected that criminals kill each other, police aren't meant to wrongfully kill people. The outrage is justified.
No it's not, blacks kill whites almost twice as much as the other way around, and they only make up 13% of the population, let's stop making excuses for a culture that ought to be confronted and dealt with. Moreover feeling that something is justified doesn't make it so, can you even prove that what happened to floyd was racially motivated? What kind of legitimate plan backed up by experience and know how can you offer to fix this? See it's easy to find fault in everything a lot harder to figure why and even harder to come up with a better plan.
 

Salvo

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I agree. My concern is when this fizzles out and between then and when something like this happens again, will there be equal outrage at the high level of homicide deaths in big cities?

No one should die like that from police, and the outrage is obviously justified. But it shouldn't only surface ONLY when a white cop kills a black man. Black people should be furious at both sides.
I think due to the symbolic nature of this whole situation the outrage levels will never be the same. Criminals taking lives is more accepted by the public as it is what the public expects criminals to do, is that a good thing? No but it's completely different to a police officer killing someone over nothing.


The loss of life is a terrible thing in any circumstance where it is not justified. The issue of black on black crime is also rooted in what made black so many black communities the way they are, the systems that were and albeit to a lesser extent now are still in existence.

I do understand what you are saying but I think it is a bit different, I also recognise that I'm not really in a position to analyse the issue of the American system as I am just someone looking from the outside in.

In Australia we have had over 400 Indigenous Australians die in police custody since 91 a terrible statistic that I didn't even know before all this happened. Things need to change here I can tell you that much.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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I think due to the symbolic nature of this whole situation the outrage levels will never be the same. Criminals taking lives is more accepted by the public as it is what the public expects criminals to do, is that a good thing? No but it's completely different to a police officer killing someone over nothing.


The loss of life is a terrible thing in any circumstance where it is not justified. The issue of black on black crime is also rooted in what made black so many black communities the way they are, the systems that were and albeit to a lesser extent now are still in existence.

I do understand what you are saying but I think it is a bit different, I also recognise that I'm not really in a position to analyse the issue of the American system as I am just someone looking from the outside in.

In Australia we have had over 400 Indigenous Australians die in police custody since 91 a terrible statistic that I didn't even know before all this happened. Things need to change here I can tell you that much.
Not when those being gunned down are kids being hit by stray gang bullets, etc. A lot of these kids being gunned down aren't thugs, they are kids with bright futures ahead of them and there needs to be outrage for that too. These city mayors seem to brush this under the rug as another day in the city.
 

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