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AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Thats a lot of typos. Maybe he has a galaxy s9 like me, they recently updated and it changed the keyboard around now i am all messed up. I didnt mean to type christcucks in place of christians multiple times but this damn system update :andy2:
It's the Google keyboard when you type so fast it fills in crap all the time. I tried to switch to swift key but that was worse. Androids biggest issue shitty keyboards
And no iMessage
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I want to have the discussion you just have to be an ass and can't just discuss.
If you stopped lying or stating personal opinions as facts, it might be possible to have a discussion.

You still haven't acknowledged that you outright lied about scientific research saying it was almost impossible for a raped woman to get pregnant. There is no scientific research that shows that, a 5-10% pregnancy rate from rapes is not insubstantial, nor irrelevant to the debate, and your opinion is directly contradicted by the evidence.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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We don't live in an utopian world where everything smells like flowers and rainbows. I'm sure everyone would love it if there was never the need for abortions. Sadly there are many situations were abortion is needed. It's always been easy for us men as we can always bail and say "fuck it you deal with the baby". Then there are people with drug/alcohol addictions getting pregnant, unwanted teen pregnancies, rapes and so on. I think it's complete ignorance to try and moralize people's decisions based on zero knowledge about the reasons people actual end up making those decisions. I would think majority of those who end up taking an abortion don't take that decision lightly.
Unfortunately that might be a bigger part of the issue on both sides. Utopia is unachievable here and one side wants to regulate it into existence and the other wants to will it into existence
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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If you stopped lying or stating personal opinions as facts, it might be possible to have a discussion.

You still haven't acknowledged that you outright lied about scientific research saying it was almost impossible for a raped woman to get pregnant. There is no scientific research that shows that, a 5-10% pregnancy rate from rapes is not insubstantial, nor irrelevant to the debate, and your opinion is directly contradicted by the evidence.
So my wording was a bit hyperbolic but geez man we all do it so why does it bother you so much when I do it
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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here-is-some-legitimate-science-on-pregnancy-and-rape

A lot of people are citing the Holmes et al (1996) paper that found a 5% pregnancy rate among rape survivors from 12 to 45 years of age. This is a great study that performed several telephone interviews with 4008 participants over three years to determine rates of rape (413 individuals experienced 616 completed rapes, a lifetime incidence of over 13% in this sample) and rates of pregnancy from rape (20 were reported from 19 individuals, or 5%).

In a separate study, Wilcox et al (2001) draw from their amazing prospective dataset from the 1980s where they asked women who were trying to conceive to collect urine every day. They were able to detect hormones, and thus pregnancies and fetal losses, because of these daily urine collections. Work on this dataset from Wilcox, Baird, and others represents the gold standard for our understanding of early pregnancy, fetal loss, and the timing of implantation in the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle. In this paper, the authors are able to show what the possible pregnancy rates are for a given day in the menstrual cycle, taking into account the normal variation many women experience in the length of their cycle and timing of ovulation:

What they find is that the rate of pregnancy on any given day is about 3.1%, a little lower than the Holmes et al estimate. What Wilcox et al also does well is demonstrate first how the vulnerability to get pregnant varies across the cycle, but also how it is most certainly not zero at the times many of us assume we are not fertile. I’m not sure I am convinced the difference in the rates in these two studies is meaningful, and instead I suspect it is just a result of natural variation based on participant sample. Wilcox et al themselves suggest that the higher number for Holmes et al is a result of methodological differences. But only more studies will help us settle this.

So, rape and consensual sex have the same pregnancy rate. This means that of those 64,080 US rapes in 2004-2005, minus the 15% of rapes that are of children under the age of 12 which gets us to 54,468 rapes of almost all reproductively-aged women, somewhere between 1,689 (3.1%) to 2,723 (5%) pregnancies from rape could have occurred in that year alone. Somewhere around half of those women were probably using some form of hormonal contraception, so let’s hope the numbers are even lower. Unfortunately, access to emergency contraception is still a challenge for rape survivors who go to hospitals, particularly Catholic hospitals, to receive treatment (Smugar et al. 2000).
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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What I can say is this I can see why politically abortion makes sense as everyone doesn't hold the same beliefs and we live in a pluralistic society but personally I am pro life all the way even anti death penalty and I am against animal cruelty. So it's difficult for someone who holds life in such high regard to be ok with abortion
 

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We don't live in an utopian world where everything smells like flowers and rainbows. I'm sure everyone would love it if there was never the need for abortions. Sadly there are many situations were abortion is needed. It's always been easy for us men as we can always bail and say "fuck it you deal with the baby". Then there are people with drug/alcohol addictions getting pregnant, unwanted teen pregnancies, rapes and so on. I think it's complete ignorance to try and moralize people's decisions based on zero knowledge about the reasons people actual end up making those decisions. I would think majority of those who end up taking an abortion don't take that decision lightly.
Absolutely. They like to bring up small instances of some idiot feminist livestreaming her abortion as empowering as if its somehow representative of a population just casually terminating pregnancies for their own vanity.

Same as searching out some hoodrat mom with 12 kids no dad, living on welfare and claiming because of that people on welfare must be lazy and abusing the system
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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What I can say is this I can see why politically abortion makes sense as everyone doesn't hold the same beliefs and we live in a pluralistic society but personally I am pro life all the way even anti death penalty and I am against animal cruelty. So it's difficult for someone who holds life in such high regard to be ok with abortion
And this is all you had to say. I'm perfectly fine with you being anti-abortion. There is nothing wrong with this viewpoint.

What's wrong is when you try to support it by blatantly ignoring actual science, and making spurious claims about things you know nothing about like rape-related pregnancies, and then proceed to call them irrelevant to the debate.

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Absolutely. They like to bring up small instances of some idiot feminist livestreaming her abortion as empowering as if its somehow representative of a population just casually terminating pregnancies for their own vanity.

Same as searching out some hoodrat mom with 12 kids no dad, living on welfare and claiming because of that people on welfare must be lazy and abusing the system
It's the same deal with these noodles acting like every pro-choice person believes it's okay to abort babies right up to the day of birth...

Trump actually said this a couple months ago:

"There could be no greater contrast to the beautiful image of a mother holding her infant child than the chilling displays our nation saw in recent days," Trump said, speaking out against abortion that occurs later in pregnancy. "Lawmakers in New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth."

Which is an outright lie.

"The state recently passed a law loosening restrictions on abortions in the state, allowing abortions after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when it’s necessary to protect the life of the mother. The president paints the picture of a healthy mother and child, but an abortion would not be legal in that scenario after 24 weeks in New York state."

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/fact-check-new-york-allows-abortion-moments-birth-n967641
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
19,126
And this is all you had to say. I'm perfectly fine with you being anti-abortion. There is nothing wrong with this viewpoint.

What's wrong is when you try to support it by blatantly ignoring actual science, and making spurious claims about things you know nothing about like rape-related pregnancies, and then proceed to call them irrelevant to the debate.

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It's the same deal with acting like every pro-choice person believes it's okay to abort babies right up to the day of birth...

Trump actually said this a couple months ago:

"There could be no greater contrast to the beautiful image of a mother holding her infant child than the chilling displays our nation saw in recent days," Trump said, speaking out against abortion that occurs later in pregnancy. "Lawmakers in New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth."

Which is an outright lie.

"The state recently passed a law loosening restrictions on abortions in the state, allowing abortions after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when it’s necessary to protect the life of the mother. The president paints the picture of a healthy mother and child, but an abortion would not be legal in that scenario after 24 weeks in New York state."

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/fact-check-new-york-allows-abortion-moments-birth-n967641
I may have gotten heated because of you're disrespect toward my faith and I spiral and get hot blooded. One thing I wish I could do sometimes is breathe and step back but usually I let my anger take me a bit off kilter
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Immigrants arriving from central america are seeking to escape poverty and epidemic violent crime but your man trump ran a campaign on shitting all over them. Calling them rapists and welfare bums.
Don't be hyperbolic he said there were some who were. Just like when he made the Ms 13 comment and people tried to equate it too all immigrant people coming over the border.
Like was said before by someone other than me. We don't live in Utopia and we can not take care of everyone. Resources are only so much and we need to take care of our own citizenry before we take care of illegal immigrant even if there situation dire. The US and to an extent the EU can't feed the world. The problems in those countries need to be addressed and people need to fix their situations
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Truth be told, you're a good person. But I sincerely wish you'd educate yourself more for your sake
Thanks. Sometimes I do put the foot in mouth or cart before horse. I used to read alot more but running a restaurant precludes me from having alot of free time. So it's mostly clips and snippets my fault I know but it is hard
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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Don't be hyperbolic he said there were some who were. Just like when he made the Ms 13 comment and people tried to equate it too all immigrant people coming over the border.
Like was said before by someone other than me. We don't live in Utopia and we can not take care of everyone. Resources are only so much and we need to take care of our own citizenry before we take care of illegal immigrant even if there situation dire. The US and to an extent the EU can't feed the world. The problems in those countries need to be addressed and people need to fix their situations
How do you feel about the concentration camps Trump put all these people in? They’re still there btw.

Oh yeah, he also split up kids from their parents.

And don’t republicans also want to take away citizenship rights for babies born in US to illegal immigrants?

What about prisons being private and leading to higher incarceration rates in order to keep them profitable? Trump himself is appointing people to contribute to more imprisonments.

Modern day republican politicians are full of bullshit and ways to enrich their own pockets and the people who follow them have absolutely no critical thinking skills imo.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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How do you feel about the concentration camps Trump put all these people in? They’re still there btw.

Oh yeah, he also split up kids from their parents.

And don’t republicans also want to take away citizenship rights for babies born in US to illegal immigrants?

What about prisons being private and leading to higher incarceration rates in order to keep them profitable? Trump himself is appointing people to contribute to more imprisonments.

Modern day republican politicians are full of bullshit and ways to enrich their own pockets and the people who follow them have absolutely no critical thinking skills imo.
I feel that, concentration camp is nowhere near what they are and that Obama did it before him and that something has to be done. It needs to be more humane but we can't let unfettered access to this country
 

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