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king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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I probably know as much about Iran as AC. :p
Hardliners versus moderates is a better distinction. Ahmadinejad was a hardliner but not a mullah/cleric, while some of the politicians that I respect the most in Iran are/were mullahs. It's a stupid term anyway.

We used to have reformers but they are now completely politically irrelevant, which I believe will happen to the moderates soon and we will end up with different shades of hardliners.
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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You should check the special election results since Trump got elected, easily disproves what you're saying. Many don't find the Democrats to be liberal enough, hence the fervor of support that Sanders received. That's based on a weekly Reuters poll with a small sample size.

The economy was set to grow REGARDLESS of who was President, please understand this. Yes, the tax cut will increase economic indicators but this is:
1. Doesn't necessarily translate to actual real help for the middle class (I'm not talking an extra $20 to a paycheck) and
2. This huge deficit that he's adding to will need to be paid for eventually. And I can guarantee, it's not going to be the rich that foot the bill. By the way, their tax cuts are permanent, ours are temporary if I remember correctly.

No ideas regarding...? Attacks are warranted on this administration. Very warranted. What are you talking about? It's not done yet. Or I suppose he hired Giuliani for giggles?



Simpler, innocent times :touched:
They aren't permanent for middle class and below. Only upper income bracket and corporate tax cuts are permanent in this tax plan. If I recall correctly, lowest income brackets are actually likely to see a small income tax rise by 2027, after the initial tiny drop.

Add to that, the tax reform eliminated employee deductions, so work-related expenses for employees that aren't covered by employers (clothing, tools, travel, etc) are no longer deductible.

And that's ignoring health care and public education cuts that hurt the families of the lower class and middle class.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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They aren't permanent for middle class and below. Only upper income bracket and corporate tax cuts are permanent in this tax plan. If I recall correctly, lowest income brackets are actually likely to see a small income tax rise by 2027, after the initial tiny drop.

Add to that, the tax reform eliminated employee deductions, so work-related expenses for employees that aren't covered by employers (clothing, tools, travel, etc) are no longer deductible.

And that's ignoring health care and public education cuts that hurt the families of the lower class and middle class.
But this involves thinking beyond the surface level, so the majority of Trump supporters won't see this. I deal with such people all too often.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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If they decide to renegotiate, which is next to impossible, they have to do it from the position of extreme weakness. They won't do it.
Also the position of presidency in Iran is irrelevant. It became even more irrelevant today.
I love that this being framed as Trump "withdrawing" from the Iran Nuclear Deal. No, he very clearly has "violated" the deal as there is no evidence of Iranian violations regardless of the nonsense Netanyahu and Trump spew about "definitive proof" (Netanyahu's presentation was based in large part on a 2007 declassified intelligence report about Iran having lied about past nuclear work :lol: ). The Trump administration has blatantly violated the agreement by reimposing sanctions.
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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They aren't permanent for middle class and below. Only upper income bracket and corporate tax cuts are permanent in this tax plan. If I recall correctly, lowest income brackets are actually likely to see a small income tax rise by 2027, after the initial tiny drop.

Add to that, the tax reform eliminated employee deductions, so work-related expenses for employees that aren't covered by employers (clothing, tools, travel, etc) are no longer deductible.

And that's ignoring health care and public education cuts that hurt the families of the lower class and middle class.
They were initially going to count graduate tuition waivers as taxable income. :sergio:
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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From the Guardian:

Trump revives worries of war in Iran

Saeed Kamali Dehghan Saeed Kamali Dehghan
In his speech, Rouhani reassured Iranians and said his government was fully prepared to counter the consequences of the US pull-out. Iranian people, he said, should have “no worries for the future of the country.”

Despite Rouhani’s assurances, Trump’s decision has revived worries of war inside Iran, where people are concerned about the state of its already fragile economy, and consequences for the fate of pro-deal reformists.

Ordinary Iranians were on tenterhooks, monitoring the developments closely, particularly any immediate impact on the country’s national currency, which hit an all-time low last month, prompting panic-buying of hard-to-find dollars amid political uncertainty.

Trump’s decision to reimpose sanctions is likely to exacerbate the state of the economy at the time when public discontent is rife. In January, protests over economic grievances that began by the end of last year spread in an spontaneous manner to as many as 80 cities, taking on a political dimension. The unrest resulted in the death of at least 25 protesters and jailing of more than 3000 people - many of whom remain in prison.

Sadeq Zibakalam, a prominent political commentator and professor of politics at Tehran University, struck a pessimistic tone about the consequences of Trump’s decision in Iran.

“Many people are worried about war,” he told the Guardian on phone from Tehran. “Whenever the country faces a crisis in its foreign policy or economy, the situation gets better for hardliners, they’d be able to exert their force more easily.”

He added: “At the same time, hardliners will gain politically from this situation, because they’ll attack reformists and moderates like [President] Rouhani that this is evidence of what they had been saying for years, that the US cannot be trusted, and that US is always prepared to knife you in the back.”

Zibakalam, who is close to the reformists, said he did not think it would take long for Europeans and other nations to follow in the footsteps of the US, because they won’t endanger their economic ties with Washington, which would outweigh the benefits of doing business with Iran.

“In the short term, the radical faction in Iran will be strengthened, this is good for the hardliners, this will boost their position in Iran’s political system. When officials face serious problems running the country, radical factions such as the Revolutionary Guards will play bigger role in managing the country,” he said. “When [former president] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was in power, they were in denial that sanctions were having an affect, but in reality we realised that the Iranian economy was buckling under pressure, so much that after three years since the nuclear agreement, it hasn’t completely freed itself from the shackles of sanctions, that’s why I am pessimistic.”

Foad Izadi, a Tehran-based conservative political analyst, said Trump’s aim was to confront ran with greater force. “Mr Rouhani has been defending the agreement as a matter of personal prestige, Mr Zarif has been arguing internally that it is possible to reach an agreement [with the US], but this shows that their analysis has been wrong, and the Iranian president has been pursuing a wrong policy. This shows that the idea that you can negotiate with the US and reach an agreement won’t bear any fruits, not only he wants to reimpose sanctions that had been suspended, he wants to impose new sanctions.”

Izadi said Iran can withstand the pressure. “For 40 years, we have been living under sanctions. The collapse of the nuclear deal will mean that we have to find ways to circumvent sanctions, something we have done in the past. The institutions that have been doing that now need to be reequipped.”

“When relations between Iran and the US goes down from bad to worse, the risk of confrontation and war, particularly in the region, goes up,” Izadi added.

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council (NIAC), said Trump’s “reckless decision” puts the US on path to war with Iran.

“Donald Trump has committed what will go down as one of the greatest acts of self-sabotage in America’s modern history. He has put the United States on a path towards war with Iran and may trigger a wider regional war and nuclear arms race,” he said.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I love that this being framed as Trump "withdrawing" from the Iran Nuclear Deal. No, he very clearly has "violated" the deal as there is no evidence of Iranian violations regardless of the nonsense Netanyahu and Trump spew about "definitive proof" (Netanyahu's presentation was based in large part on a 2007 declassified intelligence report about Iran having lied about past nuclear work :lol: ). The Trump administration has blatantly violated the agreement by reimposing sanctions.
Yes of course. JCOPA, as Iran deal is formally called, has a dispute resolution section, in which Iran can take their complaints to a joint commission. If Iran is not happy with the commission's decoision (which of course will be in US' favor), it'll automatically go to UN Security Council. UNSC will have 30 days to adopt a resolution to continue with lifting sanctions (which of course US will veto).
Basically international law is a joke.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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....which is why we won't let you enter our country, and would have no problem seeing you being starved to death. God bless you and God bless America!

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John Bolton probably handed him the paper and told him "Donald read this shit and they're gonna love you, like Iraqis loved Bush"
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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What does it matter what the Bible says?

And it should be obvious why attacking someone's family would be against the rules.
Bible is a good guide on what not to say if you're trying to protect Christians from verbal abuse. considering there are many of them and all follow the same source material, it's not that hard to not offend them

why is it obvious that attacking someones family is against the rules? not that I disagree, it's a good rule and I like it, but what about attacking someones sexuality, race, faith, education, nationality or whatever, it's not obvious to me that family jokes offend everyone more than jokes about those things
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Well our tax rate has dropped significantly freeing up some nice funds. Add to that the taxes we pay on the backend for employees are less and then to top it off our paychecks are more so yeah it’s helped a lot

Dude, this is total Trump speak. It's not okay. 'Some nice funds', seriously, what the fuck, man. And these aren't specifics at all.
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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There will be no blue wave. Democrats are loosing support with millennial voters. Black male support for trump has doubled from 11% to 22% and it’s only been 1.5 years. If the economy keeps growing and these trends continue its game set match. Besides the Democrats have no ideas. They just attack on all costs. Russia probe is a bust nothing happened. Stormy Daniels is a load of cum and that’s all she wrote
The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,519
There will be no blue wave. Democrats are loosing support with millennial voters. Black male support for trump has doubled from 11% to 22% and it’s only been 1.5 years. If the economy keeps growing and these trends continue its game set match. Besides the Democrats have no ideas. They just attack on all costs. Russia probe is a bust nothing happened. Stormy Daniels is a load of cum and that’s all she wrote
You may want to look up sources confirming these numbers.

What kind of business do you own btw? I find it kind of remarkable that you get paychecks.. I mean, you're the owner, right?

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AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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For those of you that don't know, some states just had their Senate primaries, among them West Virginia. One of the candidates running was a man named Don Blankenship, who calls himself "Trumpier than Trump." He's an overall piece of shit, garbage human being that among other things was directly implicated for his part in the Upper Big Branch Mine disaster by skirting safety regulations. In that disaster, 29 miners died. Of those 29, three of them happened to be this man's cousin, who voted for Blankenship anyway. If you want to see what true stupidity beyond all belief or reasonability looks like, scroll down to right above the 8:49 PM update:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/big...a-ohio-bellwether-primaries/story?id=54999517
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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Too bad that he lost. A general election with him would've been fun.
No thanks, I've had enough of people like him as it is.

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Also, Trump threatening on Twitter to take away media credentials from news outlets that report negatively of him. Sounds like a violation of the first amendment to me, @AndreaCristiano
 

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