'Murica! (244 Viewers)

[.zero]

Maybe because this isn't terrorism.

Actually, this case is considered terrorism.

 

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[campionesidd]

Actually, this case is considered terrorism.

Even Jeff Sessions is calling it terrorism.

 

[Ronn]

Washington didn't free all slaves and so what if he did? He never denounced slavery. and Lincoln still didn't see them as equals. My point is, people had different views back then and we can't hold them to current standards.

That's a correct statement in general, but there's a difference between Washington and Lincoln who did something to make the wrongs right, and Lee who actively fought for it.
and afaik Martha Washington freed all of his husband's slaves one year after his death. She held on to her own slaves until she died.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Actually, this case is considered terrorism.

That's not what he's charged with. People jump to conclusions, when they know nothing, all the time.

 

[.zero]

That's not what he's charged with. People jump to conclusions, when they know nothing, all the time.

That's because local municipalities cannot lend that charge. It's only levied at the federal level.

 

[Ronn]

Why didn't Washington release them in his lifetime? You Americans definitely know better since it's part of your history but here, in high schools we get taught that, in short, Abe wasnt opposed to slavery at that time and the economical competition between North and South played a bigger part in the war. And I never considered Robert Lee a character worth being offended by, unlike say Nazi or Commie military and ideological leaders.

Slaves were a huge part of the wealth of southern landowners, maybe as much as 40%. He just did not want to give up that wealth I guess.
Robet E Lee did not anything to anyone close to me so I'm not offended by him either. But I understand why people would get offended. And Lee's statue was not the only civil war statue in the US. Jefferson Davis monument was taken down only earlier this year.

 

[Kopanja]

Washington didn't free all slaves and so what if he did? He never denounced slavery. and Lincoln still didn't see them as equals. My point is, people had different views back then and we can't hold them to current standards.

They were human beings after all. One can make a solid case for removing Jefferson's monument in Virginia also. There is no silver bullet here.

 

[Raz]

Does every statue belong in a museum?

At what point do we ask Egypt to take down the pyramids because they represent slave labor? The entire world is littered with signs of injustice, it's how we look at it that makes the difference.

They have no idea how the pyramids were build, but there is an overwhelming opinion that slave labour wasn't used to build them. But I guess you can't expect an american to know fallow anything outside their state.

 

[ALC]

They have no idea how the pyramids were build, but there is an overwhelming opinion that slave labour wasn't used to build them. But I guess you can't expect an american to know fallow anything outside their state.

Very efficient American insult. Skipping all the content and focusing on one particular aspect that is unknown according to you. Thumbs up, Bin Laden would be proud of you.

 

[Kopanja]

Very efficient American insult. Skipping all the content and focusing on one particular aspect that is unknown according to you. Thumbs up, Bin Laden would be proud of you.

I think, pyramids were most possibly built with slave labor, but they are not built to promote slavery. The same as White House was built using enslaved labor, but not to promote slavery, segregation or something like that. Many of Jim Crow era monuments were developed mostly exactly to promote segregation imo.

 

[Osman]

Driving your car into someone, cause you're angry, isn't terrorism.

When the same happend in Nice by lonewolf ISIS sympathizer, it was defenitely called terrorism.

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[Raz]

Very efficient American insult. Skipping all the content and focusing on one particular aspect that is unknown according to you. Thumbs up, Bin Laden would be proud of you.

I see that hit the spot.

 

[Hængebøffer]

When the same happend in Nice by lonewolf ISIS sympathizer, it was defenitely called terrorism.

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It's the same thing. People jump to conclusions before they know anything. And Isis will take the blame for everything.

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Oh. And the videos of white people tearing down an old statue, kicking and spitting on it, is the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

 

[lgorTudor]

the good guys NAZIS REKT AND BTFO
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40935250/confederate-statue-pulled-down-in-north-carolina

 

[Post Ironic]

So Trump today equated confederate generals Jackson and Lee with Jefferson and Washington. ::

Yeah, Jefferson and Washington were founding fathers of the United States of America. Jackson and Lee were part of an uprising against America that led to an insanely bloody civil war. In no small part because they wanted to keep the status quo with slavery in the south. Good equivalence. Two American traitors and two American heroes. No difference at all there.

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Trump's America.

 

[campionesidd]

Woah. My turds are more intelligent than this guy.

 

[Ronn]

the good guys NAZIS REKT AND BTFO
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40935250/confederate-statue-pulled-down-in-north-carolina

Who said they are the good guys? Statues were brought down in Charlottesville due to a City Council measure, not because of vandalism. These guys are idiots.

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So Trump today equated confederate generals Jackson and Lee with Jefferson and Washington. ::

Yeah, Jefferson and Washington were founding fathers of the United States of America. Jackson and Lee were part of an uprising against America that led to an insanely bloody civil war. In no small part because they wanted to keep the status quo with slavery in the south. Good equivalence. Two American traitors and two American heroes. No difference at all there.

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Trump's America.

He thinks he's the president of the Confederacy, not the Union.

 

[campionesidd]

the good guys NAZIS REKT AND BTFO
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40935250/confederate-statue-pulled-down-in-north-carolina

Do you still have Hitler statues in Germany?

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So Trump today equated confederate generals Jackson and Lee with Jefferson and Washington. ::

Yeah, Jefferson and Washington were founding fathers of the United States of America. Jackson and Lee were part of an uprising against America that led to an insanely bloody civil war. In no small part because they wanted to keep the status quo with slavery in the south. Good equivalence. Two American traitors and two American heroes. No difference at all there.

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Trump's America.

Also, people forget that the Northern States were free of slavery long before the Civil War.

 

[lgorTudor]

Do you still have Hitler statues in Germany?

of course not, Hitler was a monster and nazi germany's crimes were otherworldly.


why do you ask? Because confederate forces and robert lee were LITURALLY HITLURRR!!!!!!!! ?

 

[campionesidd]

of course not, Hitler was a monster and nazi germany's crimes were otherworldly.


why do you ask? Because confederate forces and robert lee were LITURALLY HITLURRR!!!!!!!! ?

They were only a similar level. Anyone who fought to preserve slavery should be eradicated from history. I don't mind people having statues of Lee in their backyard. Having the statue on public land is a total no-go.