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It contains violence and has a political aim as the root cause. I think it can classify as terrorism.
Also, what's the big deal? Why remove the statue? It's a sign of history and I think it sets a bad precedent for other historic statues. The Civil War was a big part of American history and so was Robert E. Lee.
Also, what's the big deal? Why remove the statue? It's a sign of history and I think it sets a bad precedent for other historic statues. The Civil War was a big part of American history and so was Robert E. Lee.
All these statues (Lee, Stonewall, Davis etc.) were put long after even Reconstruction iirc. And mainly because for one reason - to keep blacks at their place. All this vanilla-sugar story Confederate fans sell about how "war was about state rights and not slavery" is bs. On a one hand fighting with sculptures is stupid, but on the other, some monuments are more than just a monument and glorification of the "lost cause" won't go anywhere while they are standing.
We had the same problem here in my shithole country, but on the far bigger scale, with Commi monuments.
We had the same problem here in my shithole country, but on the far bigger scale, with Commi monuments.
Does every statue belong in a museum?
At what point do we ask Egypt to take down the pyramids because they represent slave labor? The entire world is littered with signs of injustice, it's how we look at it that makes the difference.
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How can a statue keep blacks at their place?
And yeah, I forgot about communism. If a country is communist and there are statues of its leaders, they should be able to tear hem down. But they weren't placed there by the people anyways and Robert E. Lee was a general. We even have statues and memorials for the Japanese from world war 2.
At what point do we ask Egypt to take down the pyramids because they represent slave labor? The entire world is littered with signs of injustice, it's how we look at it that makes the difference.
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How can a statue keep blacks at their place?
And yeah, I forgot about communism. If a country is communist and there are statues of its leaders, they should be able to tear hem down. But they weren't placed there by the people anyways and Robert E. Lee was a general. We even have statues and memorials for the Japanese from world war 2.
I might very well be wrong, my knowledge of us history is pretty basic, and my English sucks, it's hard to express thoughts more complex than "Beppe buy SMS" or "street Max" sometimes.
I know who Robert E.Lee was, the problem is not with Lee (or Jackson or <insert Confederate hero>). Monuments are pretty powerful symbols, and Confederate monuments are mainly symbols of Jim Crow south afaik. It's a simplified view, but we are on tuz ffs. I mean, imagine an outcry if Obama, for example, installed monument for someone like Ned Turner. Why not? Rebellion? Check. "Honorable cause"? Check. Lost? Check.
It's hard to me to understand feelings of a black man surrounded by Confederate symbolics, but I really doubt I would have liked it. So if a local community wants to remove the statue, I see no problem with that at all.
I know who Robert E.Lee was, the problem is not with Lee (or Jackson or <insert Confederate hero>). Monuments are pretty powerful symbols, and Confederate monuments are mainly symbols of Jim Crow south afaik. It's a simplified view, but we are on tuz ffs. I mean, imagine an outcry if Obama, for example, installed monument for someone like Ned Turner. Why not? Rebellion? Check. "Honorable cause"? Check. Lost? Check.
It's hard to me to understand feelings of a black man surrounded by Confederate symbolics, but I really doubt I would have liked it. So if a local community wants to remove the statue, I see no problem with that at all.
Dexcendents of Egyptian slaves are all dead. Jim Crow was still the law 54 years ago. You still have people alive who witnessed it.
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And Robert E Lee was not as honorable as you'd like to think. Yes, he called slavery "a moral and policital evil" but for a different reason. He wrote:
"I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
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And Robert E Lee was not as honorable as you'd like to think. Yes, he called slavery "a moral and policital evil" but for a different reason. He wrote:
"I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
You're actually very eloquent and well spoken 
And I wasn't aware the city voted to have the sculpture removed until today. If so, then fair enough, it should be removed. But I don't see that as a racially motivated sculpture and that's the feeling I'm getting from the people in this argument/protests.
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So people during the Civil War were racists? Might as well remove statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as well. Those guys had slaves.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
And I wasn't aware the city voted to have the sculpture removed until today. If so, then fair enough, it should be removed. But I don't see that as a racially motivated sculpture and that's the feeling I'm getting from the people in this argument/protests.
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So people during the Civil War were racists? Might as well remove statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as well. Those guys had slaves.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
You're actually very eloquent and well spoken
And I wasn't aware the city voted to have the sculpture removed until today. If so, then fair enough, it should be removed. But I don't see that as a racially motivated sculpture and that's the feeling I'm getting from the people in this argument/protests.
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So people during the Civil War were racists? Might as well remove statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as well. Those guys had slaves.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.hist...t-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
And I wasn't aware the city voted to have the sculpture removed until today. If so, then fair enough, it should be removed. But I don't see that as a racially motivated sculpture and that's the feeling I'm getting from the people in this argument/protests.
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So people during the Civil War were racists? Might as well remove statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as well. Those guys had slaves.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.hist...t-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
It should speak volumes that the only people protesting the removal of the statue were nazis.
You're actually very eloquent and well spoken
And I wasn't aware the city voted to have the sculpture removed until today. If so, then fair enough, it should be removed. But I don't see that as a racially motivated sculpture and that's the feeling I'm getting from the people in this argument/protests.
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So people during the Civil War were racists? Might as well remove statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as well. Those guys had slaves.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.hist...t-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
And I wasn't aware the city voted to have the sculpture removed until today. If so, then fair enough, it should be removed. But I don't see that as a racially motivated sculpture and that's the feeling I'm getting from the people in this argument/protests.
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So people during the Civil War were racists? Might as well remove statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln as well. Those guys had slaves.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.hist...t-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
Why didn't Washington release them in his lifetime? You Americans definitely know better since it's part of your history but here, in high schools we get taught that, in short, Abe wasnt opposed to slavery at that time and the economical competition between North and South played a bigger part in the war. And I never considered Robert Lee a character worth being offended by, unlike say Nazi or Commie military and ideological leaders.
nazis? Please, my great grandfather didnt flee to Brazil to get compared to some unwashed hillbillies
No, seriously. You are trivializing the Nazi crimes with that nomenclature.
nazis? Please, my great grandfather didnt flee to Brazil to get compared to some unwashed hillbillies
No, seriously. You are trivializing the Nazi crimes with that nomenclature.