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[swag]

I went to a Catholic secondary school. I don't think they ever mentioned intelligent design. They just taught the theory of evolution.

Same here.

And a "comparative religions" class 100% should never be taught in grade school, which is unfortunate, but fundamentalists of all religions make it a very dangerous thing.

One of my humanities professors who offered a 100-level comparative religions course in University, received death threats from a students' parents and spent several weeks being followed around campus by security. She also received complaints weekly from parents of students of both Christian and Islamic faith.

Look, you got Australian politicians disavowing halal meat because they're retarded enough to believe that eating it will turn you into a terrorist.

I think the question for me is how well Trump manages to create this "us vs them" narrative with White Americans vs Muslims (and to a lesser extent, other minorities). If he manages to create a war of sorts out of it, I could easily see him re-elected, especially with enough terror attacks on American soil during his presidency... His rabid followers won't see it as a failure of his immigration policy, but instead as a reason to implement even more draconian measures.

I think that's a losing battle. Sure, he got some numbers on his side (though not the popular vote). But those numbers are heavily weighted to those with dying future prospects. Which is a bit like buying long-term ad sponsorship for AC Milan.

Great -- you can rally the downtrodden, the bigoted, and the unemployable. But over the long haul, that looks more like a charity than a political movement.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

If the US was badly losing with food and energy shortages, the same fate would have befallen the Japanese in the continental camps

Are you serious?
You know Extermination cams primary function was to kill people, right? They didn't accidentally die because of food shortage. We are not talking about normal prison camps here.

 

[Post Ironic]

Same here.



Look, you got Australian politicians disavowing halal meat because they're retarded enough to believe that eating it will turn you into a terrorist.



I think that's a losing battle. Sure, he got some numbers on his side (though not the popular vote). But those numbers are heavily weighted to those with dying future prospects. Which is a bit like buying long-term ad sponsorship for AC Milan.

Great -- you can rally the downtrodden, the bigoted, and the unemployable. But over the long haul, that looks more like a charity than a political movement.

Agree with you entirely. What I said is likely the absolute worst case scenario, and would require an absurd amount of pieces entirely unrelated to Trump and Bannon falling in place to even become a possibility.

Although, one never does know which way the cookie shall crumble...

 

[Ronn]

Flynn: we're officially putting Iran on notice
http://www.mediaite.com/online/nati...day-we-are-officially-putting-iran-on-notice/


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[Ocelot]

Hitler never signed or ordered anything of the sort, final solution is a myth.

Hitler, just like trump with Muslims, wanted jews out of Germany/europe, if he wanted them exterminated they would have been.

If you're implying that Hitler didn't order, or even know of the Holocaust, there's basically no possibility of that, don't trust Irving too much man The only point he's got is that the Allies, especially the Western ones, are unnecessarily glorified, when they committed plenty of war crimes of their own, especially concerning the fire bombings of German cities. And most leading army generals didn't really give that much of a fuck about the Holocaust either, or much more would've been done to prevent or impede it.

But there's still little comparison to Nazi Germany, where the killings of innocents wasn't merely a tolerable means to an end, but the end-goal itself.

If the US was badly losing with food and energy shortages, the same fate would have befallen the Japanese in the continental camps

I really doubt it.

No doubt that Japanese internment camps were horrible and didn't get the public attention and condemnation they deserved, but there are huge difference between them and the Nazi concentration camp system. I mean for one, KZs were around long before any war to persecute political opponents and Jews, and you can't compare the extermination camps of Operation Reinhard with much, if anything in human history. It really took valuable and scarce resources away from any war effort simply to satisfy their ideology. That's definitely not something I could've seen happening in the US, or any of the Allied powers.

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Flynn: we're officially putting Iran on notice
http://www.mediaite.com/online/nati...day-we-are-officially-putting-iran-on-notice/


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@Zacheryah

 

[Seven]

If you're implying that Hitler didn't order, or even know of the Holocaust, there's basically no possibility of that, don't trust Irving too much man The only point he's got is that the Allies, especially the Western ones, are unnecessarily glorified, when they committed plenty of war crimes of their own, especially concerning the fire bombings of German cities. And most leading army generals didn't really give that much of a fuck about the Holocaust either, or much more would've been done to prevent or impede it.

But there's still little comparison to Nazi Germany, where the killings of innocents wasn't merely a tolerable means to an end, but the end-goal itself.

I'm not sure if it started out as the end-goal though. I think at a certain point that was indeed what Hitler and several Nazis wanted to achieve, but I doubt that they had this agenda when they first got elected.

You've presented Hitler's ideology as much stronger than the absurdity that is Trump's btw, but I disagree with you. Mein Kampf is equally nonsensical. Neither Trump nor Hitler have ever been able to have a clear ideology without contradictiones in terminis.

 

[Post Ironic]

Trump doesn't meddle in international affairs.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Are you serious?
You know Extermination cams primary function was to kill people, right? They didn't accidentally die because of food shortage. We are not talking about normal prison camps here.

You are free to believe what you want, if the intent was to exterminate it would have been done sooner and with more effective ways, typhus is what ravaged the camps, if we are to believe that an intent to exterminate was really the case, i think it would be more along pragmatic as in no food to give the prisoners.

 

[Ocelot]

I'm not sure if it started out as the end-goal though. I think at a certain point that was indeed what Hitler and several Nazis wanted to achieve, but I doubt that they had this agenda when they first got elected.

You've presented Hitler's ideology as much stronger than the absurdity that is Trump's btw, but I disagree with you. Mein Kampf is equally nonsensical. Neither Trump nor Hitler have ever been able to have a clear ideology without contradictiones in terminis.

That first part is a fair point, there's not even a real historical consensus on that, and it'll probably be impossible to ever prove either version (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_versus_intentionalism).

I've probably presented it too strong, and Mein Kampf is very confusing and contradictory at times, but I don't think that my main argument stands against that. I mean Hitler still put his whole life into promoting that (though inconsistent) ideology, not anything you could remotely say for Trump.

Bannon on the other hand seems much more dangerous in that regard.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If you're implying that Hitler didn't order, or even know of the Holocaust, there's basically no possibility of that, don't trust Irving too much man The only point he's got is that the Allies, especially the Western ones, are unnecessarily glorified, when they committed plenty of war crimes of their own, especially concerning the fire bombings of German cities. And most leading army generals didn't really give that much of a fuck about the Holocaust either, or much more would've been done to prevent or impede it.

But there's still little comparison to Nazi Germany, where the killings of innocents wasn't merely a tolerable means to an end, but the end-goal itself.



I really doubt it.

No doubt that Japanese internment camps were horrible and didn't get the public attention and condemnation they deserved, but there are huge difference between them and the Nazi concentration camp system. I mean for one, KZs were around long before any war to persecute political opponents and Jews, and you can't compare the extermination camps of Operation Reinhard with much, if anything in human history. It really took valuable and scarce resources away from any war effort simply to satisfy their ideology. That's definitely not something I could've seen happening in the US, or any of the Allied powers.

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@Zacheryah

No not Irving, weckert and marais

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Anyways i won't detail this thread any further, we can continue in pm

 

[Seven]

That first part is a fair point, there's not even a real historical consensus on that, and it'll probably be impossible to ever prove either version (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_versus_intentionalism).

I've probably presented it too strong, and Mein Kampf is very confusing and contradictory at times, but I don't think that my main argument stands against that. I mean Hitler still put his whole life into promoting that (though inconsistent) ideology, not anything you could remotely say for Trump.

Bannon on the other hand seems much more dangerous in that regard.

I'm going to be honest here, I do not know nearly enough about Bannon.

But is this guy really an actual white supremacist? And did he really say he expects to be in war with China very soon?

 

[swag]

You are free to believe what you want, if the intent was to exterminate it would have been done sooner and with more effective ways, typhus is what ravaged the camps, if we are to believe that an intent to exterminate was really the case, i think it would be more along pragmatic as in no food to give the prisoners.

Yep. What's even the point of labor camps and "work will set you free" in that context?

 

[Ronn]

People often make the argument that it's hard to disobey superiors and that is why presidents can grow out to be dictators.

But with the kind of resistance Trump is facing, I don't think it's that hard to go against him. I definitely don't think he'll have enough control over the army to go against the will of the people.

Resistance is not as strong as you think.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-poll-exclusive-idUSKBN15F2MG
49% think travel ban is a good idea. 41% think it's a bad idea.

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The rate at which he's alienating the military top brass and the intelligence agencies, I doubt how much power he'll have to do such a thing. Also, I think if he lasts four years and keeps having disastrous favorability ratings, he'll probably decide not to run, saying that he achieved all he wanted to in four years.

Sorry he's already announced he's running
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-campaign-staff/2017/01/13/id/768441/

 

[Zacheryah]

@Zacheryah

Thanks

Saudi's and Israel are the two most important ally's for the US.
Under Obama, Iran had to quit its nuclear weapon program and turn to nuclear energy. That was great by Obama.
If they want to develop further, and use ballistic missles, thats fine. If the US wants to remind them they wont be having it if they use that to attack their most important allies (Israel and Sauri Arabia), thats fine too.
Iran backed Houthi rebels attacked an Saudi warship. So the notice is fine by me


If the US can use its power and influence to prevent a conflict , thats great.



It remains to be seen if the Trump administration can be as succesfull at it as Obama was by taking the plug out of a potential huge conflict by killing their nuclear weapon program.

 

[Ronn]

Something is very wrong about these "direction of the country" polls. Rasmussen reports poll looks very odd:

 

[Zacheryah]

I'm going to be honest here, I do not know nearly enough about Bannon.

But is this guy really an actual white supremacist? And did he really say he expects to be in war with China very soon?

If a belgian political party talks to Vlaams Belang about certain agenda points, does that make them racists ?

 

[Seven]

Yep. What's even the point of labor camps and "work will set you free" in that context?

Not entirely mutually exclusive. If you're going to kill them, you could just work them into the ground so you have cheap labour. I guess that is kind of what they did.

And as the war went on, the killing got worse, with it ending in extermination because of a whole number of reasons.

 

[Seven]

If a belgian political party talks to Vlaams Belang about certain agenda points, does that make them racists ?

No. But if they say they will support and defend their ideas during that conversation, it does.

I'm still wondering why you feel the constant need to defend the Trump administration btw

 

[Ronn]

Thanks

Saudi's and Israel are the two most important ally's for the US.
Under Obama, Iran had to quit its nuclear weapon program and turn to nuclear energy. That was great by Obama.
If they want to develop further, and use ballistic missles, thats fine. If the US wants to remind them they wont be having it if they use that to attack their most important allies (Israel and Sauri Arabia), thats fine too.
Iran backed Houthi rebels attacked an Saudi warship. So the notice is fine by me


If the US can use its power and influence to prevent a conflict , thats great.



It remains to be seen if the Trump administration can be as succesfull at it as Obama was by taking the plug out of a potential huge conflict by killing their nuclear weapon program.

I have to remind you that Iran deal is only for 10 years.
And what you are saying makes zero sense. US is the big guy here, and therefore, they have to deescalate. They can go after Iran possibly by sanctions and similar tools, but the language used today was extremely sharp. To put things in perspective, imagine if they use the same language with North Korea.

 

[swag]

So should I skip to the head of the line and pick out my FEMA camp now under Trump?

Just wondering...