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Diez
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pitbull

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Intelligent design is not a sound theory though. It makes no sense. It has no scientifical basis. Presenting it as if it does is dangerous in itself.
I haven't tried to learn something about it, but trying to scientifically tell the Bible creation story sounds like a bad idea, it should be presented for what it is, a belief.
 

Osman

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if I understand this correctly, at moment evolution is taught in American schools as the absolute truth and people are upset that after this change children might be presented with several theories? what's wrong with that? most of the population is Christian or close to it which means that sooner or later the children anyways will read the Bible version
What's wrong with that?? Because religion should be taught solely religion study classes not in science class?

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Osman

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I haven't tried to learn something about it, but trying to scientifically tell the Bible creation story sounds like a bad idea, it should be presented for what it is, a belief.
It's a belief, which literally means it has no fact based scientific basis, aka it does not belong in scientific curriculum but in religious studies only.

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pitbull

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what's wrong with teaching something about religion in history or geogrophy class if it makes sense (f.e. alternative theory on the beginning of earth)? it only broadens the perspective if you ask me. and no, religion doesn't only belong to church, it's not like people don't study theology or there aren't religious non-profits or parties f.e., why not educate someone if it is a big part of American (you could also say European) culture and everyday life
 

Seven

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what's wrong with teaching something about religion in history or geogrophy class if it makes sense (f.e. alternative theory on the beginning of earth)? it only broadens the perspective if you ask me. and no, religion doesn't only belong to church, it's not like people don't study theology or there aren't religious non-profits or parties f.e., why not educate someone if it is a big part of American (you could also say European) culture and everyday life
Teaching someone about religious beliefs makes sense in history class, but it doesn't really in geography or biology.

Also, the theory of evolution just being a 'theory' is kind of not true as well. We know that evolution happens. We see it during experiments. Hell, we've been breeding race horses for centuries.
 

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what's wrong with teaching something about religion in history or geogrophy class if it makes sense (f.e. alternative theory on the beginning of earth)? it only broadens the perspective if you ask me. and no, religion doesn't only belong to church, it's not like people don't study theology or there aren't religious non-profits or parties f.e., why not educate someone if it is a big part of American (you could also say European) culture and everyday life
Hypothesis=/=theory
 

ALC

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Teaching someone about religious beliefs makes sense in history class, but it doesn't really in geography or biology.

Also, the theory of evolution just being a 'theory' is kind of not true as well. We know that evolution happens. We see it during experiments. Hell, we've been breeding race horses for centuries.
Breeding race horses isn't evolution tho. The birds in Galapagos on the other hand...
 

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Teaching someone about religious beliefs makes sense in history class, but it doesn't really in geography or biology.

Also, the theory of evolution just being a 'theory' is kind of not true as well. We know that evolution happens. We see it during experiments. Hell, we've been breeding race horses for centuries.
There is nothing higher than a theory in science.Evolution is both a theory and a fact.
Theory of Evolution by natural selection explains the fact of evolution.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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It's a belief, which literally means it has no fact based scientific basis, aka it does not belong in scientific curriculum but in religious studies only.

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It has some tracking in scientology and certain islamic regions, who try to debunk evolution.



I find it extremely easy to debate




fuck it. I applaud trump for doing this


I can make a career in debating these people that they are wrong. more debates, more money #morality
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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It has some tracking in scientology and certain islamic regions, who try to debunk evolution.



I find it extremely easy to debate




fuck it. I applaud trump for doing this


I can make a career in debating these people that they are wrong. more debates, more money #morality
:howler:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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There is nothing higher than a theory in science.Evolution is both a theory and a fact.
Theory of Evolution by natural selection explains the fact of evolution.
Of course. But I was responding to those who set aside the theory of evolution as just one theory among others. It isn't, not really.

Breeding race horses isn't evolution tho. The birds in Galapagos on the other hand...
It is. It's just not evolution by natural selection, but by human selection.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Teaching someone about religious beliefs makes sense in history class, but it doesn't really in geography or biology.

Also, the theory of evolution just being a 'theory' is kind of not true as well. We know that evolution happens. We see it during experiments. Hell, we've been breeding race horses for centuries.
Breeding horses isnt evolution, its fenotypical differences.

The quickest and easyest way to explain how evolution works, is bacterial resistance
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Of course. But I was responding to those who set aside the theory of evolution as just one theory among others. It isn't, not really.



It is. It's just not evolution by natural selection, but by human selection.
You're not creating a different species. Just like different dog breeds are not evolution. They may look different but they are still the same species as before.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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You're not creating a different species. Just like different dog breeds are not evolution. They may look different but they are still the same species as before.
Of course. But my point is that it shows evolution exists. True evolution can only take place over a much longer period of time.

Dogs have evolved from wolves btw and much of it might have had to do with human interaction.
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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Teaching someone about religious beliefs makes sense in history class, but it doesn't really in geography or biology.

Also, the theory of evolution just being a 'theory' is kind of not true as well. We know that evolution happens. We see it during experiments. Hell, we've been breeding race horses for centuries.
of course evolution happens but that doesn't mean evolution theory which is about way more than "evolution happens" is perfect.

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well clearly you should be the teacher not me
 

Zacheryah

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What exactly do you think evolution entails?
Adaptation of a species to its enviroment which leads to newer species.

With complexer organisms that takes millions of years


However, put Escherichia Coli in a culture and let it fill most of the culture. add Peniciline to the culture. 99.99999...% will die. But there is a 0.000...1% which accidently had a genetic mutation which makes it produce a certain enzyme that blocks the function of peniciline in the cell, preventing it to do its work.

From these surviving E.Coli, an entire culture will grow that has the peniciline resistance.




THE intelligent design question, is "how do you explain an eye", as an eye is an incredibly complex organic structure.

You could be lazy, and respond "why are we full of nonsense coding dna ? Why are we full of nonactive dna sequences ?


Or you could take a biology book and make a timeline, explaining how you start with a simple thing, and becomming more complex by chance(genetic mutation), allowed this to outcompete the existing kind
 

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