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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Their involvement will be huge. Intelligence agencies normally don't come out with news that can cause riots without reason (though the fbi at least has been very reckless I guess). This is pretty much saying that the democratic process in the us is not guaranteed.

In spite of what people might think neither Obama nor Clinton has a direct intrest either. They'll obviously won't be able to have it annull Trump's election and it only makes them look like sore losers. They know that.

Most worrying about all of this is that Americans like Andy don't care. They'd rather be happy because they were 'right' in their very late support of Trump on an internet forum, than have people look into whether or not they still live in a democracy. It's guys like him that made WWII possible and here the $#@!er is repeating history all over again.
It's not about being "right", especially on an internet forum. There is nothing to gain from that, unless you have your posts linked to some sort of revenue stream. Hell, a quarter of my posts in this thread recently have been in jest just to troll you.

What you don't realize is that the "intelligence" community consists of countless factions. Since many of them report directly to the Executive branch, they have a tendency to follow orders or risk being disposed of for lack of compliance. It's impossible to gauge where reports from "undisclosed sources" originate from, and using simple trend analysis over the years, it's clear these "sources" are essentially disinformation campaigns. We've seen it with the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq, Afghanistan, among other events in history.

At the end of the day, no proof has been released of the connection between Russia/Putin and Trump. At least they concocted some fabricated satellite photos of Iraq's WMD's and Bin Laden's mountain bases -- for Trump, they could only create some phony dossier created by a former MI6 officer. I mean, only an idiot would fall for this stuff. You're purposely rejecting these facts because you want it to be true -- just so you can win an argument on an internet forum. You're smarter than that and I expect better from you.

Oh. And Trump be impeached. At which point Andy will bring out the tar and feathers probably. Footfolk like him are never reliable.

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So I will give you folks one more chance to explain yourselves. With evidence, what should I be concerned about? What am I missing? As someone who was never, ever, completely sold on this administration -- specifically because many of his ideals do not coincide with mine, which I've made clear countless times -- what is it about my stance that you can't accept?

It's pretty simple -- if he doesn't follow through with his stance on issues that matter to me, such as reforming the tax code, reducing burdensome regulations on firms, and reinvigorating American productive capacity, savings, and investment, then I will hold him accountable. If he starts needless wars a la his predecessors, then he should not only be impeached, but he should also be tried for war crimes.

My question to you -- if he actually does a good job in some respects, will you give him credit?

How is it pretty clear?
Because Putin has nothing better to do than spend his days telling Donald Trump what to say.

Out of all the stories I've heard out of Washington, these are the most absurd.

Woohoo! Finally less than 4 years left. Just 3 years 364 days and 23 hours left.
Cool! Can you post this countdown every day so we know where we stand?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,341
It's not about being "right", especially on an internet forum. There is nothing to gain from that, unless you have your posts linked to some sort of revenue stream. Hell, a quarter of my posts in this thread recently have been in jest just to troll you.

What you don't realize is that the "intelligence" community consists of countless factions. Since many of them report directly to the Executive branch, they have a tendency to follow orders or risk being disposed of for lack of compliance. It's impossible to gauge where reports from "undisclosed sources" originate from, and using simple trend analysis over the years, it's clear these "sources" are essentially disinformation campaigns. We've seen it with the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq, Afghanistan, among other events in history.

At the end of the day, no proof has been released of the connection between Russia/Putin and Trump. At least they concocted some fabricated satellite photos of Iraq's WMD's and Bin Laden's mountain bases -- for Trump, they could only create some phony dossier created by a former MI6 officer. I mean, only an idiot would fall for this stuff. You're purposely rejecting these facts because you want it to be true -- just so you can win an argument on an internet forum. You're smarter than that and I expect better from you.



So I will give you folks one more chance to explain yourselves. With evidence, what should I be concerned about? What am I missing? As someone who was never, ever, completely sold on this administration -- specifically because many of his ideals do not coincide with mine, which I've made clear countless times -- what is it about my stance that you can't accept?

It's pretty simple -- if he doesn't follow through with his stance on issues that matter to me, such as reforming the tax code, reducing burdensome regulations on firms, and reinvigorating American productive capacity, savings, and investment, then I will hold him accountable. If he starts needless wars a la his predecessors, then he should not only be impeached, but he should also be tried for war crimes.

My question to you -- if he actually does a good job in some respects, will you give him credit?



Because Putin has nothing better to do than spend his days telling Donald Trump what to say.

Out of all the stories I've heard out of Washington, these are the most absurd.



Cool! Can you post this countdown every day so we know where we stand?
Of course I would give him credit. But during his campaign he told many verifiable lies. More so than any other candidate before. So why are you do confident he will actually do well?
 

pavelnel

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2006
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The orange buffoon started his reign yesterday. He will probably do some good things but they will be massively outweighed by the very bad ones. I am expecting a "carnage". I still cannot believe that this amoral, shortsighted, thin-skinned, rich, pathological liar tricked so many people to believe that he is on their side. This guy has never showed through his well documented life that he has done any positive contribution to the world or for the common man. He is just a rich caveman and will be probably much richer after four years along with his Wall Street friends. 61,900,651 Americans made the most pathetic choice in their life.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
"Berlusconi is corrupt a bigot, racist, sexist, misogynist etc."

USA gets their own Berlusconi:

"The press is lying"
Both statements are correct.


Except fox, american mainstream media is democratic to far left democratic.


The moderate ones will manipulate info by naming facts, but meddle with the context like Obama and Trump do.

Obama 'US hasnt been hit by a terrorist attack by a foreign organisation'. Not a lie, all the terrorist attacks were lone cells. He found a way to say "we didnt get this type of attack". He doesnt lie.

Trump "94% million people are unemployed". True. He's naming the number of people over 16 that can work. Which includes teenagers and pensioners. He doesnt lie, they indeed can work. Better would be naming the people who are not retired or schoolgoing and unemployed and supposed to be wanting a job, that number is quite lower. But he doesnt lie, 94mil is the number of the unemployment.


Moderate democratic media do that.




THen you have the CNN's who just flat out lie or report obviously fake stuff. Reporting that Sinatra's daughter didnt liked Trump using her fathers songs, to which he responded that CNN lied as she never said that. The report of that russian prostitute thing which is obviously not true or Hillary would have used it when she got it during the election. Claiming a shit and a peasant or 2 show up at trump rally's while there are an insane amount of people.



it backfired incredibly. Gallup poll's showed just 36% of americans trust in media today(before the election result, it will have dropped a big amount again as a result, and the figure is beeing boosted by pensioners. Its especially low with younger people.



If Trump continues to do a good job with populism (he shouldnt, he should focus on beeing a good president), and the media continiues what they did, thats Trump's re-election right there.

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She would have been very unlikeable and would have made decisions many disagree with. But worse? I'd doubt it.

I guess in the end we all know the real tragedy is that these were the two candidates.
If democrats were fair and Ted's campaign manager had a brain, it should have been Ted Cruz vs Bernie Sanders


That would have been interesting.

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No no, but the Republican propaganda machine says Reagan should be on Rushmore... :lol:
Didnt reagan had the highest approval rating After he left office in the history of measuring that ?


I head Obama had 60-64% or something, which is very high. But it was CNN that reported it, who also said Hillary had a 100% winning chance.
 

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