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king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
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Only reason why you know about Tray is because the media played it up and the moron in chief made a comment. If it was any other dead black kid on the street he would have gotten the numbers treatment. Ask yourself why that is.



You have a lot to learn about this place. It will come with time.
So is it "time" that happened to you? :frown2:
 

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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
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Even if he was trying to say post-9/11, what a fucking moron.

Does he forget UNC 2006... The guy literally said he was inspired by the 9/11 hijackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_UNC_SUV_attack

Or the 2002 LAX shooting by an Islamist group member?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Los_Angeles_International_Airport_shooting
Yeah, he is dead wrong even if we are charitable and give him the benefit of the doubt on 9/11. (I think he meant to say 0 successful attacks after the Patriot Act was passed and before Obama came into office.) He is a senile fool though, he said that Mike Pence is the governor of Ohio (instead of Indiana).

Also, I see this is the 1034561st time that the Republicans brought up Benghazi without mentioning a single one of Bush's Benghazis.
http://www.politifact.com/embassyattacks/
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,755
Even if tragedy is expected, is this it still not a disgrace?
But it's the difference between singling out a single incident as a disgrace rather than the general conditions that essentially can produce dozens of Trayvons. Nothing has changed with that. Nothing has improved. I'm not even talking about gun control, even though that's part of it. The disgrace is that this is status quo, legal, and we're collectively quite content with it.

And it was a disgrace. There was no reason for Zimmerman to get out of his car that night. History has proven that he was unfit to do what he did that night.
The dude is a squirrel. Squirrels do shit like that. I'm not sure that's the thing that makes it a disgrace.

Also, it wasn't made black versus white by the president. The rest of the country did that.
Well, it's pretty clear that Obama's election put the apocalyptic cults into overdrive. I don't think Hillary will quite have the same effect, but it will be partial under a woman.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,332
There were probably 10000 other disgraces that year, but he decided to open his mouth about that one. And yeah it probably wasn't a disgrace anyway.
You do realise that if you think this is wrong, that literally not a single problem would ever be solved? I mean, of all the things you could say about this case, that is probably the most inane comment I have ever heard someone make about it.

I'm not trying to belittle you or anything here, I'm doing my best to be as civil as I can be. But this comment, Andy, I'm sorry, this went way too far into the realm of idiocy.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Guys i had an argument with a friend, and i wanted to ask you this question.

Do you consider the US a secular country, and why ?
Uhm, obviously America is a secular state. Quite clear form the constitution.

But it is a very religious country unlike a non-secular state like Denmark, which is a very non-religious country.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
Uhm, obviously America is a secular state. Quite clear form the constitution.

But it is a very religious country unlike a non-secular state like Denmark, which is a very non-religious country.
on paper yes, because of the fact that there is no official religion, but it doesnt mean that religion don't interfere with politics wish in essence goes against secularism ?
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
on paper yes, because of the fact that there is no official religion, but it doesnt mean that religion don't interfere with politics wish in essence goes against secularism ?
That's got nothing to do with secularism or at least the principle hereof.

As long as there are religious people, religion will affect society.

It's whether or not a state and religion is seperated thru law/constitution.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,332
on paper yes, because of the fact that there is no official religion, but it doesnt mean that religion don't interfere with politics wish in essence goes against secularism ?
It's a bit like Turkey. On the surface it is secular and according to the law it is, but in the actual politics religion does play a role. Like Maddy said, it's a secular state, but a religious country.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
That's got nothing to do with secularism.
How ? Can you explain please ?

It's a bit like Turkey. On the surface it is secular and according to the law it is, but in the actual politics religion does play a role. Like Maddy said, it's a secular state, but a religious country.
That's my view too, on paper it's secular but in reality religion play a big role in politics.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
How ? Can you explain please ?



That's my view too, on paper it's secular but in reality religion play a big role in politics.
Because America is a very religious country. But unlike Denmark the head of state in America isn't forced to adhere to a certain religion.

America is a very secular country in the principle of secularism.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,024
You do realise that if you think this is wrong, that literally not a single problem would ever be solved? I mean, of all the things you could say about this case, that is probably the most inane comment I have ever heard someone make about it.

I'm not trying to belittle you or anything here, I'm doing my best to be as civil as I can be. But this comment, Andy, I'm sorry, this went way too far into the realm of idiocy.
I couldn't care less if you try to belittle me, I know better than you because I live here. You don't understand the complexities of how certain events are used as political propaganda from both sides while other, more important issues lay to waste. You won't ever get it until you experience life here.

The funny thing is we have some folks who have been to the US once or twice and act as experts on US policy. You have no ducking clue what you're talking about on a legislative level. Go spend some time in the coal mines of West Virginia for 10 years and come back to us.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,332
I couldn't care less if you try to belittle me, I know better than you because I live here. You don't understand the complexities of how certain events are used as political propaganda from both sides while other, more important issues lay to waste. You won't ever get it until you experience life here.

The funny thing is we have some folks who have been to the US once or twice and act as experts on US policy. You have no ducking clue what you're talking about on a legislative level. Go spend some time in the coal mines of West Virginia for 10 years and come back to us.
Your comment wasn't about the complexities of US politics. It was a stupid cliché applicable to any statement any politician would ever make about any tragedy. It was just dumb.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,755
It's a bit like Turkey. On the surface it is secular and according to the law it is, but in the actual politics religion does play a role. Like Maddy said, it's a secular state, but a religious country.
I'd agree with the Turkey comparisons. We like to talk the talk about religious freedom in this country, but it's also pretty clear in practice that people freak out if your religious beliefs -- and worse, your political beliefs -- don't follow accepted dogmas of "acceptable" religions.
 

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