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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
For whom are you going to vote?

I don't like any of the parties (they're all the same, no major difference whatsoever between them). If there was a real alternative I would vote but these parties are all disgusting.

I'm not voting as I don't want to legitimize this rigged political system. I'll vote the day a real alternative arises.
:agree:

Same deal here. I really don't want another Conservative majority, but the alternatives are equally disgusting, and I can't stomach the idea of marking a ballot for any of them.
 

Buy on AliExpress.com
Jul 1, 2010
26,352
:agree:

Same deal here. I really don't want another Conservative majority, but the alternatives are equally disgusting, and I can't stomach the idea of marking a ballot for any of them.
Yeah. I understand why some people vote strategically but I can't do that. The whole political class can take it in the ass for all I care.

I hope abstention is going to be sky high so that this rigged political system will be ever more exposed as the fraud it is.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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If you can't tell the difference between a robbery and cold murder...then I guess that's where the discussion ends.
Maybe let me put this in more personal terms that you can understand.

We know your grandmother and great grandmother escaped from two Russian concentration camps during WWII as they were killing Slavic Germans. What if they found safe haven with sympathetic Slavic Germans running an underground railroad at underground camps nearby -- just a dozen miles outside of each camp. These havens had established escape and supply routes that had successfully lead hundreds of Slavic Germans outside of the country.

However, what ultimately happened was Russian soldiers eventually discovered these camps within their borders and executed everybody, including your grandmother and great grandmother while they were there.

And then Ben Carson steps in and says, "If I came across those camps, I would have not stopped and instead kept running for the Turkish border." As if blaming the victims.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Yeah. I understand why some people vote strategically but I can't do that. The whole political class can take it in the ass for all I care.

I hope abstention is going to be sky high so that this rigged political system will be ever more exposed as the fraud it is.
This is what I was hoping for last election, but instead we had a middling turnout, and now we're getting these massive movements again to get the young out voting strategically regardless of whether the candidate and/or party in question is shit or not.

I can't think of anything that illustrates better how flawed our political system is, than massive social movements trying to convince people to support candidates they don't agree with, or like.
 
Jul 1, 2010
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This is what I was hoping for last election, but instead we're getting these massive movements to get the young out voting strategically regardless of whether the candidate and/or party in question is shit or not.

I can't think of anything that illustrates better how flawed our political system is, than massive social movements trying to convince people to support candidates they don't agree with, or like.
They're trying to prop up those zombie parties like the Liberals to make this joke of a system survive. Unfortunately most young people are naive and ignorant and will fall into this trap.

People should be suspicious that everyone, especially the media, is portraying Harper as this big bad evil guy and that we HAVE to vote for Justin to get rid of him.

So basically, vote for Justin just to get rid of Harper, regardless of his policies(which are very similar to Harper's) or lack of thereof.

The fact that Conrad Black wrote very ostentatiously in the National Post to not be afraid of Justin because he'll do exactly what the Bay Street business class(of which Black is a member) will tell him to do should ring a bell.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
They're trying to prop up those zombie parties like the Liberals to make this joke of a system survive. Unfortunately most young people are naive and ignorant and will fall into this trap.

People should be suspicious that everyone, especially the media, is portraying Harper as this big bad evil guy and that we HAVE to vote for Justin to get rid of him.

So basically, vote for Justin just to get rid of Harper, regardless of his policies(which are very similar to Harper's) or lack of thereof.

The fact that Conrad Black wrote very ostentatiously in the National Post to not be afraid of Justin because he'll do exactly what the Bay Street business class(of which Black is a member) will tell him to do should ring a bell.
:agree:

I mean, Harper has shown his colours over the last 8-10 years. We all know what he is, what his agenda is, and the "cultural" swing to the right his government has been trying to inspire in Canada.

Trudeau seems more like that snake in the grass, with really vague and indeterminate policies and ideas that he never really fully expounds. He seems very unwilling to take any firm stance upon anything. He's really not any different than Paul Martin was in that regard, aside from being much younger.

Thomas (or Tom :lol: ) Mulcair just seems like a bumbling idiot.

And Elizabeth May, even if she seems the most likeable and genuine of all these candidates, it's the green party and all that entails.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Maybe let me put this in more personal terms that you can understand.

We know your grandmother and great grandmother escaped from two Russian concentration camps during WWII as they were killing Slavic Germans. What if they found safe haven with sympathetic Slavic Germans running an underground railroad at underground camps nearby -- just a dozen miles outside of each camp. These havens had established escape and supply routes that had successfully lead hundreds of Slavic Germans outside of the country.

However, what ultimately happened was Russian soldiers eventually discovered these camps within their borders and executed everybody, including your grandmother and great grandmother while they were there.

And then Ben Carson steps in and says, "If I came across those camps, I would have not stopped and instead kept running for the Turkish border." As if blaming the victims.
They escaped the first time. Captured, sent back by the same people that encamped them once (and had already executed many of the men from their village). The 2nd time they escaped they trekked through Hungary en route to Vienna...somewhere between the camp and the Serbian/Hungarian border soldiers were getting closer so a couple women without children or family split up to try and pull those in pursuit away from the few remaining that had children, my great grandmother and 13 year old the grandmother stayed course.

Needless to say, I am here because they survived because some extremely brave individuals met their end so others could live. I find absolutely no offense to what Carson said and I can guarantee you my grandmother or great grandmother if she was still alive wouldn't have either. They were in a do or die situation twice and instead of waiting it out they took their chances and survived.

Some people wait it out and die, others try to flee and die. Some survived waiting it out, others did not. All Carson said was what he would have done when asked.

Hillary has compared her political opponents to terrorists before and not a damn word was said about it in the media and yet we have people criticizing Carson. That might have nothing to do with the topic but the double standard needs to be mentioned.

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You know, I watched Carson's interview with Blitzer yesterday and he continues to have to clarify his comments. It's fascinating how the media takes out of context what he actually said. Blitzer tries to argue the point that Carson was saying that the students should have done more, which is NOT what he was saying at all. The question that he initially answered the other day was what would he have done if he was on his knees with a gun to his head and the gunman asking him what religion it was. With a gun already to your head and knowing the same thing happened with other students and you were next in line AND knowing that when you answer the question you were taking a bullet to the head THATS the point at which Carson said he as a person would have decided to go down fighting.


It's pointless to continue this debate...people will continue to take the edited version of his comments that were taken out of context.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/ben-carson-gun-control-2016-election/
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Him saying what he would do in that kind of situation when asked is both passing judgement on people that were unlucky enough to be in that situation and a dismissive insult to them?

Ok, let me put it this way: My grandmother and great grandmother escaped from two Russian concentration camps during WWII as they were killing Slavic Germans. If I say to you that I would fight tooth and nail to save my own life and those around me in that shooter situation then by your definition I am not only insulting those in labor camps in WWII but arrogant?

Is it really far fetched to think some people would rather try and defend themselves right away? If that's the case then I am absolutely everything you accused him of, apparently.

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So you don't know.


Further more, you agree with Swag I don't have much else to say to you.
Swag's point I think is that most of us don't know what they'd do in that situation. You might think you'd fight, but it is very possible you'd run. And that makes perfect sense. When you've never been in a situation that bad, you can't predict your reaction, especially not because you'll act on instinct.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Swag's point I think is that most of us don't know what they'd do in that situation. You might think you'd fight, but it is very possible you'd run. And that makes perfect sense. When you've never been in a situation that bad, you can't predict your reaction, especially not because you'll act on instinct.
It was in a classroom with one door/exit which he was most likely in front of. The option of running away was sorta eliminated. And I think that was the point Carson was making, all things considered. He was specifically asked by a question "if you had a gun to your head waiting to answer the question of what religion are you what would you do". He wasn't asked generally speaking what would you do if there was a mass shooter situation, which is so blatantly obvious the media has taken it out of context to make a controversy of a guy who is doing well in the polls on the side they don't agree with. Swag seemed to merely buy into that taken out of context media narrative.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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A friend of mine was shot two years ago. Everyone just stayed quiet and didn't move. His other friends that were with him couldn't do anything because they were paralyzed by fear as the guy that shot him kept telling everyone to stay away as my friend bled to death...

In that case, I wish someone else would've had a gun (and known how to use it) to take the shooter down.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I think his brain is fine.

Genius in his field.

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A friend of mine was shot two years ago. Everyone just stayed quiet and didn't move. His other friends that were with him couldn't do anything because they were paralyzed by fear as the guy that shot him kept telling everyone to stay away as my friend bled to death...

In that case, I wish someone else would've had a gun (and known how to use it) to take the shooter down.
Sorry to hear about your friend, that's terrible. Taking the guy down might have given your friend enough time to get help.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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It was in a classroom with one door/exit which he was most likely in front of. The option of running away was sorta eliminated. And I think that was the point Carson was making, all things considered. He was specifically asked by a question "if you had a gun to your head waiting to answer the question of what religion are you what would you do". He wasn't asked generally speaking what would you do if there was a mass shooter situation, which is so blatantly obvious the media has taken it out of context to make a controversy of a guy who is doing well in the polls on the side they don't agree with. Swag seemed to merely buy into that taken out of context media narrative.
It was an idiotic question from the media. But answering an idiotic question is rarely a smart act.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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So one set of genius abilities helped mankind the other did not.

Great tap in :D
being a genius in one field does not predict success in another

if anything, it often makes it less likely because the genius is too tempted to leverage the thing he/she knows to try to win favor with a new public, making an ass of himself. from what i hear this carson dude is doing just that
 

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