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I think I've noticed one very major reasons for many of our disagreements. You think (correct me if I'm wrong), that the US is already a big government state with a large welfare state. Since that doesn't really work in many aspects, you reject the idea of a larger welfare state and more government influence in general.
However, in my opinion, the US has a relatively small welfare state for a developed country. Naturally I might add, since taxes are significantly lower, and the military spending is miles above any other developed country, even relatively speaking, so there can't really be any comparetively large welfare programs. In addition, a lot of the programs are organized rather ineffectively (leading you to believe, somewhat understandably, that welfare programs have to be inefficient by default), and the tax system is rather inequitable and in my opinon unjust, especially due to various loopholes and tax brakes for the very rich, leading to the, from your part highly criticised, situation where the middleclass has to bear a disproportionally large part of the tax burden (keep in mind that this is one of the main gripes of the left (that doesn't really prominently exist on the US American political stage, bar maybe Sanders recently)).
And to close the circle to your first sentence in the quoted post, the US simply does not have a welfare state that does any justice to its level of development, and that's exactly the source of many problems. If you on the hand believe that the US already has a large welfare state, and these problems still exist, then we don't disagree on whether the current programs are good or not (we both think they're not), but in my opinion they're simply woefully insufficient, and even if they're inefficient at times, things would be worse overall without them.
And again, "big government" on it's own is neither good or bad, it can be functional/dysfunctional, corrupt/clean, oppressive/liberal (in terms of civil liberties). But I very strongly believe that a big government that works well is the only way that broad wealth for the whole population can be achieved. And so far, it's the only way it has been achieved in history.
Not to mention that the current US health care system is extremely ineffective and among the most expensive (maybe even the most expensive, don't remember exactly) in the world.
However, in my opinion, the US has a relatively small welfare state for a developed country. Naturally I might add, since taxes are significantly lower, and the military spending is miles above any other developed country, even relatively speaking, so there can't really be any comparetively large welfare programs. In addition, a lot of the programs are organized rather ineffectively (leading you to believe, somewhat understandably, that welfare programs have to be inefficient by default), and the tax system is rather inequitable and in my opinon unjust, especially due to various loopholes and tax brakes for the very rich, leading to the, from your part highly criticised, situation where the middleclass has to bear a disproportionally large part of the tax burden (keep in mind that this is one of the main gripes of the left (that doesn't really prominently exist on the US American political stage, bar maybe Sanders recently)).
And to close the circle to your first sentence in the quoted post, the US simply does not have a welfare state that does any justice to its level of development, and that's exactly the source of many problems. If you on the hand believe that the US already has a large welfare state, and these problems still exist, then we don't disagree on whether the current programs are good or not (we both think they're not), but in my opinion they're simply woefully insufficient, and even if they're inefficient at times, things would be worse overall without them.
And again, "big government" on it's own is neither good or bad, it can be functional/dysfunctional, corrupt/clean, oppressive/liberal (in terms of civil liberties). But I very strongly believe that a big government that works well is the only way that broad wealth for the whole population can be achieved. And so far, it's the only way it has been achieved in history.
Not to mention that the current US health care system is extremely ineffective and among the most expensive (maybe even the most expensive, don't remember exactly) in the world.
It wont be easy to say the least. But start by governing more sensibly and effectively, start prioritizing whats most key and urgently needed to the most your citizens instead of placating corporate interests at every turn.
For example, take a guess on one sector of your annual spending budget that screams INSANELY over funded?
For example, take a guess on one sector of your annual spending budget that screams INSANELY over funded?
It wont be easy to say the least. But start by governing more sensibly and effectively, start prioritizing whats most key and urgently needed to the most your citizens instead of placating corporate interests at every turn.
For example, take a guess on one sector of your annual spending budget that screams INSANELY over funded?
For example, take a guess on one sector of your annual spending budget that screams INSANELY over funded?
I'm not saying that we shouldn't spend that kind of money on defense, but getting your training/certs/experiencce in the DoD fields opens up a plethora of doors in other private sector IT fields like healthcare, retail, silcon, etc. People can hate the Military Industrial Complex all they want but they offer some amazing careers if you want/can get in.
You could go from making 60k in the Navy as an IT stud to making 120k starting with some certifications and 4 years military experience. This IT/weapons development makes a shit ton of money for people.
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I worked in an IT staffing company that focused on healthcare IT positions...was a head-hunter more or less but some of the guys they had in their databases looking for jobs ONLY had certifications and NO college degree whatsoever..literally, maybe a couple years in a community college but with the certifications and military training they were asking for 60-70 dollars an hour in some cases. Insane money.
That's essentially the job that convinced me to get my masters in Cyber Security.
#AmericanDreamIsAliveF*ckTheHaters
You could go from making 60k in the Navy as an IT stud to making 120k starting with some certifications and 4 years military experience. This IT/weapons development makes a shit ton of money for people.
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I worked in an IT staffing company that focused on healthcare IT positions...was a head-hunter more or less but some of the guys they had in their databases looking for jobs ONLY had certifications and NO college degree whatsoever..literally, maybe a couple years in a community college but with the certifications and military training they were asking for 60-70 dollars an hour in some cases. Insane money.
That's essentially the job that convinced me to get my masters in Cyber Security.
#AmericanDreamIsAliveF*ckTheHaters
So in this case you're suddenly in favour of huge publically owned industries & public employment? Gotta say that I smell a fair share of hyporcrisy there
I mean I very much believe that some sectors virtually have to be publically funded, as market forces fail to provide these sort of services in a sufficient manner, but I'm also of the opinion that those sectors should rather be the health, education, research (pharmaceutical for example, as well as various branches of technology) sector than a huge military complex.
I mean I very much believe that some sectors virtually have to be publically funded, as market forces fail to provide these sort of services in a sufficient manner, but I'm also of the opinion that those sectors should rather be the health, education, research (pharmaceutical for example, as well as various branches of technology) sector than a huge military complex.
Defense spending also brings in a lot of jobs. Whether you like our motives or not is one thing, but they do bring a lot of well paying jobs whether you have a masters degree or high level IT certifications. It's a competitive industry.
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You do realise that's basically the same reasoning that says wars make money? It isn't necessarily wrong, but how can this be the way forward? You guys spend trillions on creating paranoia out of thin air, but you could use the same money for universal healthcare and then some. That you even accept this as inevitable screams 'brainwashing' to me. And that's pretty much what every American media outlet does. Be it left or right wing. Honestly, American society is incredibly fucked up. You have to praise Caitlyn Jenner, the Supreme Court authorises gay marriage without the actual power to do so, you have fat apologists, incredible amounts of children dying in labour, school shootings left and right, war veterans that are not taken care of and you make the debate about whether or not socialism is bad.
You know what's bad? The intellectual laziness that has screwed you and the next two generations over. Wake the fuck up and see that this is not about ideology.
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So in this case you're suddenly in favour of huge publically owned industries & public employment? Gotta say that I smell a fair share of hyporcrisy there
I mean I very much believe that some sectors virtually have to be publically funded, as market forces fail to provide these sort of services in a sufficient manner, but I'm also of the opinion that those sectors should rather be the health, education, research (pharmaceutical for example, as well as various branches of technology) sector than a huge military complex.
I mean I very much believe that some sectors virtually have to be publically funded, as market forces fail to provide these sort of services in a sufficient manner, but I'm also of the opinion that those sectors should rather be the health, education, research (pharmaceutical for example, as well as various branches of technology) sector than a huge military complex.
Have you read many American newspapers? Because you're thinking this is a logical debate. Look at Fox and see what horror show they are really in. Then read the NY Times and realise all sides are equally bad.
I have to say, I disagree with you on this. If I were an American, I'd be completely against this exorbitant spending on defense and the military, it's almost an unrealistic expectation to be honest because it would require an extreme paradigm shift in your government, but what makes it even more unrealistic is the fact that lobbyists and big defense contractors have too much influence on government that it's near impossible there will be significant decrease on the federal government's spending on defense.
If I were you, I'd definitely want the federal government to significantly reduce defense spending, and either use taxpayer money in more productive ways that benefit society as a whole, or better yet, reduce the tax burden on citizens.
If I were you, I'd definitely want the federal government to significantly reduce defense spending, and either use taxpayer money in more productive ways that benefit society as a whole, or better yet, reduce the tax burden on citizens.
Since you seem to be the only one worth actually talking with that doesn't get nasty or is obviously never going to see eye to eye with me or Murican's like me I will continue discourse with you and take a stab at your post:
I'd be completely for spending MUCH more money on education, paying teachers for all grades more money, new schools, etc but for some reason we don't. I don't agree with centralized healthcare as IMO it diminishes quality. I've been to hospitals in Germany when I was sick there and hell I was even sent to a doctors house who had a clinic in his basement
. No fucking thank you. You need a competitive health industry to where doctors have more choices and consumers have more choices that creates incentive to improve and be the best...that's what I love about this country is there USED To be little to hold you back from that which is why Andy and I give a big fuck you to big government.
I can't think of any government run programs that are actually efficiently and not bloated or grossly overstaffed. Hell, all you need to do is go to the free Smithsonian museums to see the retards our government hires, never mind our pointless politicians on both sides.
Though I agree with the big contractors/lobbyists have a lot of pull towards the Congress's power of the purse, there are a TON of smaller contractors doing quite well adding a ton of well paying jobs and experience to branch out in the private sector.
Lastly, before I would even touch defense spending I'd be pulling back a lot of this foreign aid we throw around the world. I'm tired of seeing millions go to a bunch of countries that either talk shit about us or try to kill us. There is plenty of money outside of the defense budget we could be putting to better use.
I'd be completely for spending MUCH more money on education, paying teachers for all grades more money, new schools, etc but for some reason we don't. I don't agree with centralized healthcare as IMO it diminishes quality. I've been to hospitals in Germany when I was sick there and hell I was even sent to a doctors house who had a clinic in his basement
. No fucking thank you. You need a competitive health industry to where doctors have more choices and consumers have more choices that creates incentive to improve and be the best...that's what I love about this country is there USED To be little to hold you back from that which is why Andy and I give a big fuck you to big government.I can't think of any government run programs that are actually efficiently and not bloated or grossly overstaffed. Hell, all you need to do is go to the free Smithsonian museums to see the retards our government hires, never mind our pointless politicians on both sides.
Though I agree with the big contractors/lobbyists have a lot of pull towards the Congress's power of the purse, there are a TON of smaller contractors doing quite well adding a ton of well paying jobs and experience to branch out in the private sector.
Lastly, before I would even touch defense spending I'd be pulling back a lot of this foreign aid we throw around the world. I'm tired of seeing millions go to a bunch of countries that either talk shit about us or try to kill us. There is plenty of money outside of the defense budget we could be putting to better use.
Since you seem to be the only one worth actually talking with that doesn't get nasty or is obviously never going to see eye to eye with me or Murican's like me I will continue discourse with you and take a stab at your post:
I'd be completely for spending MUCH more money on education, paying teachers for all grades more money, new schools, etc but for some reason we don't. I don't agree with centralized healthcare as IMO it diminishes quality. I've been to hospitals in Germany when I was sick there and hell I was even sent to a doctors house who had a clinic in his basement. No fucking thank you. You need a competitive health industry to where doctors have more choices and consumers have more choices that creates incentive to improve and be the best...that's what I love about this country is there USED To be little to hold you back from that which is why Andy and I give a big fuck you to big government.
I can't think of any government run programs that are actually efficiently and not bloated or grossly overstaffed. Hell, all you need to do is go to the free Smithsonian museums to see the retards our government hires, never mind our pointless politicians on both sides.
Though I agree with the big contractors/lobbyists have a lot of pull towards the Congress's power of the purse, there are a TON of smaller contractors doing quite well adding a ton of well paying jobs and experience to branch out in the private sector.
Lastly, before I would even touch defense spending I'd be pulling back a lot of this foreign aid we throw around the world. I'm tired of seeing millions go to a bunch of countries that either talk shit about us or try to kill us. There is plenty of money outside of the defense budget we could be putting to better use.
I'd be completely for spending MUCH more money on education, paying teachers for all grades more money, new schools, etc but for some reason we don't. I don't agree with centralized healthcare as IMO it diminishes quality. I've been to hospitals in Germany when I was sick there and hell I was even sent to a doctors house who had a clinic in his basement
. No fucking thank you. You need a competitive health industry to where doctors have more choices and consumers have more choices that creates incentive to improve and be the best...that's what I love about this country is there USED To be little to hold you back from that which is why Andy and I give a big fuck you to big government.I can't think of any government run programs that are actually efficiently and not bloated or grossly overstaffed. Hell, all you need to do is go to the free Smithsonian museums to see the retards our government hires, never mind our pointless politicians on both sides.
Though I agree with the big contractors/lobbyists have a lot of pull towards the Congress's power of the purse, there are a TON of smaller contractors doing quite well adding a ton of well paying jobs and experience to branch out in the private sector.
Lastly, before I would even touch defense spending I'd be pulling back a lot of this foreign aid we throw around the world. I'm tired of seeing millions go to a bunch of countries that either talk shit about us or try to kill us. There is plenty of money outside of the defense budget we could be putting to better use.