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[swag]

While in reality he could have been any 50 year old white politician.

Not with the kind of vitriolic racism his Twitter account received.

 

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[Seven]

i feels red white and blue


is it odd i dont own a gun?

How can you sleep at night, knowing that the King of England could come there any time he wants and start shoving you around?

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Not with the kind of vitriolic racism his Twitter account received.

True. And I applaud that he became president, for the mere fact that it shows black men can become presidents. But he was supposed to be something else. A fresh start.

 

[Hust]

How can you sleep at night, knowing that the King of England could come there any time he wants and start shoving you around?

im more worried about King Phillippe

 

[Enron]

My point is that Obama was presented as a huge victory for equality.

While in reality he could have been any 50 year old white politician.

Only a belgian.

 

[Osman]

Yes, she was white. And Tiger Woods' mom was Thai. So I'm not sure of the point in that.

Sure, he didn't follow what's considered the mainline of American black experience. But it's that same logic that has many African-Americans saying African-Africans "aren't black."

The trouble with this logic is double-sided. On the one hand, most people generally know that stereotyping a black person isn't the right thing to do.

But when people are disqualifying a black person because they have a college education, they don't talk in jive, they listen to (or play) country music, they have a decent job, the men participate in their children's lives, they marry a non-black person, etc., then you get blacks branding themselves with negative stereotypes. Either you live up to the drug-addled, alcoholic felon stereotype or we disown you in our black culture.

Uncle Tom-ing is just another form of racist stereotyping, except it's often blacks against themselves.

There are parallels in feminism. There's the idea that we live in a rape culture, all heterosexual contact is rape, and anything less is a sellout to women's advancement. And then there's the idea that feminism gives a woman the right to be accepted as a stay-at-home mom if she wants, to be a prostitute if she wants, to marry a husband and take his last name if she wants.

So the question becomes which side is more empowering? The one that believes blacks should only live up to negative stereotypes to be accepted? Or the one that recognizes that black people are capable of much more of than that?

 

[Hust]

question: is belgium fun i wanna go one day

 

[Seven]

Only a belgian.

What? Our premier used to be this odd looking gay guy. I am not impressed with a black president.

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Dude, you and race .

 

[Ocelot]

I missed it so watching it here, its more interesting then I thought (but also so very facepalm dumb in too many parts):

Thanks for the link.

It's a shame btw how much attention and importance is devoted to these debates, and especially the manner in which the candidates present themselves instead of the political content. One of the reasons/symptoms this system of democracy is so incredibly flawed.

 

[Enron]

And apparently Trump is leading the polls even more after last night

I read that they don't expect Trump to start falling until later on when other candidates start dropping out. Since performances like last night don't really effect things for his main demographic.

 

[Ocelot]

Yes, she was white. And Tiger Woods' mom was Thai. So I'm not sure of the point in that.

Sure, he didn't follow what's considered the mainline of American black experience. But it's that same logic that has many African-Americans saying African-Africans "aren't black."

The trouble with this logic is double-sided. On the one hand, most people generally know that stereotyping a black person isn't the right thing to do.

But when people are disqualifying a black person because they have a college education, they don't talk in jive, they listen to (or play) country music, they have a decent job, the men participate in their children's lives, they marry a non-black person, etc., then you get blacks branding themselves with negative stereotypes. Either you live up to the drug-addled, alcoholic felon stereotype or we disown you in our black culture.

Uncle Tom-ing is just another form of racist stereotyping, except it's often blacks against themselves.

There are parallels in feminism. There's the idea that we live in a rape culture, all heterosexual contact is rape, and anything less is a sellout to women's advancement. And then there's the idea that feminism gives a woman the right to be accepted as a stay-at-home mom if she wants, to be a prostitute if she wants, to marry a husband and take his last name if she wants.

So the question becomes which side is more empowering? The one that believes blacks should only live up to negative stereotypes to be accepted? Or the one that recognizes that black people are capable of much more of than that?

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[Hust]

Carson said it best about the race issue last night

 

[Enron]

What? Our premier used to be this odd looking gay guy. I am not impressed with a black president.

You and Zach have the oddest opinions on race.

 

[swag]

True. And I applaud that he became president, for the mere fact that it shows black men can become presidents. But he was supposed to be something else. A fresh start.

The only other "big" things in our nation's presidential lineage was dropping beards, losing hats, and electing one Catholic 55 years ago.

I have to say I'm really disappointed in how much of a slide this country has taken between the over racism in response to Obama and the black church firebombings in the South like it was 1955 all over again. But the good thing is that it's been flushed out: it's there, it's visible, and we still have to contend with it.

As for a black president, it's hard to see any president being a success these days regardless of who. And while Obama failed at many potential opportunities, he does at least lay a foundation for future expectations. People like Ben Carson seem just that less of a freak show today as a result of this precedent.

It at least opens the door to the future.

 

[Osman]

Dude, you and race .

You are a moron if you didnt get the perfectly stated point he made.

 

[Hust]

I read that they don't expect Trump to start falling until later on when other candidates start dropping out. Since performances like last night don't really effect things for his main demographic.

yeah pretty much. from what I gather, having as many people on stage as they did last night it is hard for any 'one' candidate to steal the thunder from the other because each candidate has so little time to really say what they wanna do. as people start dropping out, talking time lengthens for each candidate and at that time I think we will start to see Trump slowing in the polls/ratings. Problem is, Trump is so good at getting the attention that the other candidates need to start being less PC and more abrupt IMO. That's why Trump is so good at getting followers.

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The only other "big" things in our nation's presidential lineage was dropping beards, losing hats, and electing one Catholic 55 years ago.

I have to say I'm really disappointed in how much of a slide this country has taken between the over racism in response to Obama and the black church firebombings in the South like it was 1955 all over again. But the good thing is that it's been flushed out: it's there, it's visible, and we still have to contend with it.

As for a black president, it's hard to see any president being a success these days regardless of who. And while Obama failed at many potential opportunities, he does at least lay a foundation for future expectations. People like Ben Carson seem just that less of a freak show today as a result of this precedent.

It at least opens the door to the future.

But it happens on both sides. The last 7 years we have seen a massive regression on both sides of the race problem.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I don't know what is worse - american nationalism or the russian one

 

[Seven]

You are a moron if you didnt get the perfectly stated point he made.

I got his point. But you are so invested in this topic it becomes suffocating.

You and Zach have the oddest opinions on race.

How so?

 

[Osman]

I got his point. But you are so invested in this topic it becomes suffocating.

So you are a moron? Thank you for confirming.

 

[DAiDEViL]

question: is belgium fun i wanna go one day

@Zacheryah tell him

 

[Seven]

So you are a moron? Thank you for confirming.

It's incredible. You get angry every single time.