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[Seven]

It might be bizarre to you, but that's what some folks think of him.



It's terrible for a number of reasons. Firms will either have to layoff staff or increase prices on goods. Just let the market set the price -- a lot of these jobs take no skill whatsoever and should be held by high school kids.

Dude, Trump is easily the least genuine politician I've ever seen. And that's a good thing, because if he was for real he's sheer evil.

 

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[Maddy]

This is like a CBA thing?

In the simplest of terms, you can describe that way.

 

[Fred]

It might be bizarre to you, but that's what some folks think of him.



It's terrible for a number of reasons. Firms will either have to layoff staff or increase prices on goods. Just let the market set the price -- a lot of these jobs take no skill whatsoever and should be held by high school kids.

Exactly

 

[Seven]

Exactly

Well, I could debate you on this, but truth is I don't believe in most low skilled jobs. I think they should disappear entirely and we should give people a basic income.

 

[ALC]

Well, I could debate you on this, but truth is I don't believe in most low skilled jobs. I think they should disappear entirely and we should give people a basic income.

Who's going to do the low skilled jobs then?

 

[Seven]

Who's going to do the low skilled jobs then?

Robots. We all know they will eventually. Hell, we know they could today.

I'm talking fastfood and transport mostly here though.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I kind of agree with Andy here.

 

[Seven]

I kind of agree with Andy here.

I can see his point, but I think he's a bit too idealistic here. Yes, a job in fastfood is something a student should be doing. And paying a student 7-8 dollars an hour is okay. But we see adults who have to provide for families do this sort of job. Those people need a better wage. Either you give everyone minimum wage or you give these people benefits. Better yet, give them basic income.

Do not, however, expect people who are now only qualified to drive trucks or serve fastfood to retrain for higher skilled jobs. That's not feasible at all for a number of reasons.

 

[Hængebøffer]

But that's an educational question and then we're back to the discussion about "free" education. One thing we know for sure is that we still have social inheritance regarding education.

 

[Seven]

But that's an educational question and then we're back to the discussion about "free" education. One thing we know for sure is that we still have social inheritance regarding education.

That's one of the reasons why I don't think it's feasible. Also, at some point you need to accept that not everyone is smart enough to do certain jobs. I'm a decent lawyer, but I will never be a good rocket scientist, no matter how much I study.

 

[Hust]

Do not, however, expect people who are now only qualified to drive trucks or serve fastfood to retrain for higher skilled jobs. That's not feasible at all for a number of reasons.

You'd be surprised at how much some truck drivers can make, ESPECIALLY, if they have long hauls and are paid by mileage. Relatively low skilled job, obviously, but some actually pay quite well.

 

[Fr3sh]

You'd be surprised at how much some truck drivers can make, ESPECIALLY, if they have long hauls and are paid by mileage. Relatively low skilled job, obviously, but some actually pay quite well.

Even over here in Canada a truck driver on average makes 25$/hr, it's not bad.

 

[Seven]

You'd be surprised at how much some truck drivers can make, ESPECIALLY, if they have long hauls and are paid by mileage. Relatively low skilled job, obviously, but some actually pay quite well.

No, I know some are paid quite well. In particular I think of Alberta, Canada, where it seems they are paid well because of the loads they carry and because the trucks are enormous.

 

[swag]

Well.. It is pretty high, I'll give you that. But a minimum wage is not a bad idea in itself.

Andy is gonna fall out of his chair at this one.

But a higher minimum wage is the wrong solution to the real problem. The reason it is even an issue in this country is because it's being seen as a solution to fundamental structural problems in the country -- where today we no longer have teenagers working summer jobs for minimum wage but instead family breadwinners are now trying to support a family while flipping burgers. The main motivation behind raising the minimum wage is because of the people working the jobs, not the jobs themselves.

That's just so wrong on so many levels.

Every time I hear a sob story about some woman who has to support three kids on a minimum wage job making sandwiches as a fast food shop, I have to ask why is that woman attempting to raise a family with a job that's practically unskilled labor?

 

[DAiDEViL]

Speaking of which, everything about your account hurts my eyes. :faq2:

just let the free market take care of it.

 

[Seven]

Andy is gonna fall out of his chair at this one.

But a higher minimum wage is the wrong solution to the real problem. The reason it is even an issue in this country is because it's being seen as a solution to fundamental structural problems in the country -- where today we no longer have teenagers working summer jobs for minimum wage but instead family breadwinners are now trying to support a family while flipping burgers. The main motivation behind raising the minimum wage is because of the people working the jobs, not the jobs themselves.

That's just so wrong on so many levels.

Not sure if you read my more recent posts in this thread, because that's what I said .

 

[swag]

Not sure if you read my more recent posts in this thread, because that's what I said .

Why would I do something like that?

Yeah, crunch time at work. I'm pretty much in forum swoop mode these days.

 

[ALC]

Robots. We all know they will eventually. Hell, we know they could today.

I'm talking fastfood and transport mostly here though.

Right now it's cheaper to pay people to do it. And robots is not a good answer. At my job, most of the work is automated but there are still people who need to feed the machines, do hand packaging, put on labels, etc. Almost every factory is mostly automated but they still require people to do the entire job. Robots is not an answer.

And we are far from capable of letting robots drive trucks amongst the street with everyone else. What if they hit a pothole, or the tire blows out, etc

 

[Seven]

Right now it's cheaper to pay people to do it. And robots is not a good answer. At my job, most of the work is automated but there are still people who need to feed the machines, do hand packaging, put on labels, etc. Almost every factory is mostly automated but they still require people to do the entire job. Robots is not an answer.

And we are far from capable of letting robots drive trucks amongst the street with everyone else. What if they hit a pothole, or the tire blows out, etc

No. We're not. Not at all. Which is why you have pretty much every North American and Western European move towards legislation for self driving cars / trucks.

 

[Hust]

No, I know some are paid quite well. In particular I think of Alberta, Canada, where it seems they are paid well because of the loads they carry and because the trucks are enormous.

That and they probably have a bit more hazardous road conditions too that would qualify for higher pay