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Honored to meet you sir

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Outstanding. So how do you explain why there are so many doctors saying certain drugs do work, at least in their experiences? Are they all lying?
I wouldn’t say they are all lying but in the practice of medicine, like with any other profession, you have to weigh the risk vs benefit ratio. At this point in time, the use of HCQ has been found to be associated with too many risks. Many patients who present to the ER are already in a precarious condition. Many are in multi-organ failure. The last thing you need to do is putting them on a medicine that can cause even more problems.

In certain situations, HCQ may be acceptable but those are rare. Maybe in the future, we might have a better understanding of HCQ and might even start using it more commonly for COVID-19 but not at this time.
 
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Honored to meet you sir

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I wouldn’t say they are all lying but in the practice of medicine, like with any other profession, you have to weigh the risk vs benefit ratio. At this point in time, the use of HCQ has been found to be associated with too many risks. Many patients who present to the ER are already in a precarious condition. Many are in multi-organ failure. The last thing you need to do is putting them on a medicine that can cause even more problems.

In certain situations, HCQ may be acceptable but those are rare. Maybe in the future, we might have a better understanding of HCQ and might even start using it more commonly for COVID-19 but not at this time.
Is it the patients choice if they wish to be treated by it as long as the doctors list the possible side effects?
 

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Again. the first rule is do no harm. What if I prescribe a medicine that is not FDA approved for the treatment of a certain illness and that patient suffers a side effect. My excuse that the patient asked me for it is not going to fly.

In certain situations, HCQ is still used for COVID-19 patients in an inpatient setting. Just need to be very careful.

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Again, HCQ might turn out to be a very good medicine - but at what cost?
 

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Again. the first rule is do no harm. What if I prescribe a medicine that is not FDA approved for the treatment of a certain illness and that patient suffers a side effect. My excuse that the patient asked me for it is not going to fly.

In certain situations, HCQ is still used for COVID-19 patients in an inpatient setting. Just need to be very careful.

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Again, HCQ might turn out to be a very good medicine - but at what cost?
A really cheap one, and no you don't need to be careful, just like you didn't have to be careful the last 50 years it's been used continuously with no issues, now all of a sudden it's problematic lol i personally took it a couple of times as a prophylaxis for malaria and never checked for heart issues or anything else for that matter.
 

kappa96

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I remember the day when my great-grandmother told me about when she became a naturalized citizen. Legally. That's the ONLY time I recall ever seeing a woman that escaped TWICE from two different Russian labor camps during WWII cry.

She got it. These 3 morons in the video don't have a clue.

And I know why now why my grandmother (her daughter who escaped with her) told me everyday I saw her until the day she died "watch out for the other guy". Never got it. I do now, though. Best advice I've ever been given.
This stems from education bro.
In my country we have a percentage of population that still craves comunism and worship it like a religion. They think it's the greatest thing ever(TV only between 8 and 10 pm, electricity going out through the day and off after 10 pm, living in perpetual fear, hunting groceries since 4 a.m. in the morning while staying in line with 50 people in front of you.
This bozos still think the EU did nothing for us while statistics say they pumped on the plus side 50 billion euros, 1/5 of our state revenue in 10 years.
This are the ungrateful bozos who keep pulling our democracy down who vote corrupt politicians because all they do(politicians) is pander to them to get their 30% in every election.


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Fab Fragment

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A really cheap one, and no you don't need to be careful, just like you didn't have to be careful the last 50 years it's been used continuously with no issues, now all of a sudden it's problematic lol i personally took it a couple of times as a prophylaxis for malaria and never checked for heart issues or anything else for that matter.
You are right that it is a cheap and a good medicine that has been used for a million years. But keep in mind that COVID-19 patients are very sick. They have a whole bunch of things going wrong.
 

Fab Fragment

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I fully agree that big pharma are evil. Add insurance companies to that category as well (they are even worse).
There may well be a conspiracy against HCQ because they wanted to make money off of their brand new flagship products (which frankly aren't that great either).
My question is then why did they (big pharma) not say a word against Dexamethasone which is the gold standard for COVID-19 patients at this point in time. Dexamethasone has been around for a long time and is even cheaper than HCQ. Also, no pushback from big pharma against Z-Pak - cheap med as well.
 

X Æ A-12

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Even if he wasn't senile it is the right strategy. There is nothing at all he can say right now that will appease both the moderate left and the lunatics they need to court and his ass is no earth shattering leader.

he cannot say anything even remotely sane without being cancelled. tbh im pretty sure we are heading for another four years of Trump and at this point I prefer it to the alternative. Demonrats have lost their minds and will destroy this country.

When the civil war starts I'm not taking prisoners.
 
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KB824

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You don't want to hear the man you can potentially vote for speak live without a script?

It's all just Democrat Hubris rearing it's ugly head again, just like 4 years ago.

"There's no way anyone with half a brain would vote for Trump"


Welp.

4 years later


"There's no way anyone with half a brain would vote for Trump AGAIN."


We'll see how that pans out.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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You don't want to hear the man you can potentially vote for speak live without a script?
At this point I've heard enough from both. It's not like we don't know who Trump is or what he's about, while Biden has been around for longer and is probably senile. Not that Trump seems all that sane by comparison either. Is there anything that Biden could really say that would make you vote for him, or Trump for me? It's less a debate and more, in my opinion, a showcase of a very low point in American politics in front of an international audience, and it's just not something I'd enjoy watching anymore.

I'm more interested in Biden's VP pick, as there's a very real chance that person may end up President if Biden wins.
 

GordoDeCentral

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At this point I've heard enough from both. It's not like we don't know who Trump is or what he's about, while Biden has been around for longer and is probably senile. Not that Trump seems all that sane by comparison either. Is there anything that Biden could really say that would make you vote for him, or Trump for me? It's less a debate and more, in my opinion, a showcase of a very low point in American politics in front of an international audience, and it's just not something I'd enjoy watching anymore.

I'm more interested in Biden's VP pick, as there's a very real chance that person may end up President if Biden wins.
So you have no problem voting for someone who has neither the physical not mental capabilities just to not vote for Trump? At this point is not a matter of positions we need to see what kind of man this guy is now.
 

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