'Murica! (231 Viewers)

[pavluska]

Socialism is a broad umbrella, and even then, democratic socialism doesn't fall under it. It's on the capitalism side near the border between the two. It's basically capitalism with some socialist programs (like social security).

It's highly disconcerting how majority of people in this country don't know or haven't retained this basic high school knowledge.

The one problem I've with Bernie is he hasn't clarified what democratic socialism is and is fine with the socialist label and is focused on more important things. Kudos to him for latter, and not his job to give Americans esp Republicans (who he knows won't change their minds and are lost causes) high school education, but whatever you're running on (other than policies, which are more important and are properly explained) needs to be made clear and precisely described.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Socialism is a broad umbrella, and even then, democratic socialism doesn't fall under it. It's on the capitalism side near the border between the two. It's basically capitalism with some socialist programs (like social security).

It's highly disconcerting how majority of people in this country don't know or haven't retained this basic high school knowledge.

The one problem I've with Bernie is he hasn't clarified what democratic socialism is and is fine with the socialist label and is focused on more important things. Kudos to him for latter, and not his job to give Americans esp Republicans (who he knows won't change their minds and are lost causes) high school education, but whatever you're running on (other than policies, which are more important and are properly explained) needs to be made clear and precisely described.

It's a bit of a broken record from the left that everyone who doesn't want Socialism or Democratic Socialism is uneducated or has a high school education. That's nothing more than ad hominan nonsense as plenty of people who hold different "degrees" are fans of Capitalism and reject the notion that two aforementioned structures are feasible and amazing. The United States is a very unique country with a lot of debt that already has a ton of social programs, so there really isn't a comparison to be made to other countries. If Democratic Socialism is capitalism with social security and other "free" stuff, then we already have Democratic Socialism! The next obvious route is Socialism, and socialist programs with a lot of debt never turns out well. We need lesser gobernment, not more.

 

[Ronn]

Didn't watch the debate at all, anything of note happen?

I thought Biden was OK. Everybody except Warren piled on Bernie, while Warren continued to attack Bloomberg for whatever reason. Bloomberg dropped a couple of awful jokes, presumably to be able to connect better, but they were so bad that even fell flat with his own supporters in the audience.

 

[ALC]

It's a bit of a broken record from the left that everyone who doesn't want Socialism or Democratic Socialism is uneducated or has a high school education. That's nothing more than ad hominan nonsense as plenty of people who hold different "degrees" are fans of Capitalism and reject the notion that two aforementioned structures are feasible and amazing. The United States is a very unique country with a lot of debt that already has a ton of social programs, so there really isn't a comparison to be made to other countries. If Democratic Socialism is capitalism with social security and other "free" stuff, then we already have Democratic Socialism! The next obvious route is Socialism, and socialist programs with a lot of debt never turns out well. We need lesser gobernment, not more.

America has socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

I always find it interesting how people that aren’t even well off or are borderline poor defend that system.

 

[Bjerknes]

America has socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

I always find it interesting how people that aren’t even well off or are borderline poor defend that system.

Dude, there are a ton of social programs for the poor and minorities, including affirmative action and need-based programs on the state level. In Maryland, state institutions and companies that require vendor services need to send 20% of their business to MBE's, minority-owned businesses. This exists in some capacity to other states as well. At the federal level, there are six types of welfare programs ranging from public housing assistance to food stamps. So it's also "socialism-ish" for the poor, too. The answer isn't more of it, especially when it only creates inflation passed onto the consumer via demand for services, increased taxes, and debasing of the currency.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

At this point, I'd even vote for Marianne Williamson over Trump.

https://gothamist.com/news/unpreced...-nycs-most-important-climate-resiliency-study

 

[Bjerknes]

At this point, I'd even vote for Marianne Williamson over Trump.

https://gothamist.com/news/unpreced...-nycs-most-important-climate-resiliency-study

It's never popular to cut any program. But yes, some programs will have to be cut, we can't keep running huge deficits forever.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It's never popular to cut any program. But yes, some programs will have to be cut, we can't keep running huge deficits forever.

But one that was almost to completion and looking for ways to protect the most populated city in the country? He didn't have a problem with deficits when he cut taxes, so the comparative drop in the bucket here wouldn't make sense for that defense.

I'm hoping the cuts to the CDC don't come back to haunt us now too.

 

[campionesidd]

It's never popular to cut any program. But yes, some programs will have to be cut, we can't keep running huge deficits forever.

Cutting the bloated military budget will save a ton of money. That's a good start.

 

[Ronn]

Cutting the bloated military budget will save a ton of money. That's a good start.

Tariff-hit Midwest farmers definitely need their aid packages though, and it’s totally not socialism.

 

[Bjerknes]

But one that was almost to completion and looking for ways to protect the most populated city in the country? He didn't have a problem with deficits when he cut taxes, so the comparative drop in the bucket here wouldn't make sense for that defense.

I'm hoping the cuts to the CDC don't come back to haunt us now too.

This involves catastrophe risk, which all coastlines have to worry about. The likelihood of a Cat 2 or above hurricane hitting NYC is relatively low. Of course, Sandy was a disaster, but even that storm was somewhat of a once in a century type of storm due to its size and retrograde motion. I think this stuff is important, but you have to cut something.

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Cutting the bloated military budget will save a ton of money. That's a good start.

I would definitely cut some military spending, for sure.

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Tariff-hit Midwest farmers definitely need their aid packages though, and it’s totally not socialism.

This is another thing I don't quite understand. Why do so many people on the left hate farmers so much?

 

[Ronn]

This involves catastrophe risk, which all coastlines have to worry about. The likelihood of a Cat 2 or above hurricane hitting NYC is relatively low. Of course, Sandy was a disaster, but even that storm was somewhat of a once in a century type of storm due to its size and retrograde motion. I think this stuff is important, but you have to cut something.

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I would definitely cut some military spending, for sure.

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This is another thing I don't quite understand. Why do so many people on the left hate farmers so much?

Why do you hate New Yorkers so much? See it was easy.

 

[Bjerknes]

Why do you hate New Yorkers so much? See it was easy.

This has nothing to do with the tariffs, even Bloomberg took a swipe at farmers the other day.

But yes, I'd definitely take farmers over New Yorkers because they help feed the nation.

 

[Kopanja]

That's funny

 

[Ronn]

This has nothing to do with the tariffs, even Bloomberg took a swipe at farmers the other day.

But yes, I'd definitely take farmers over New Yorkers because they help feed the nation.

Good for you. Just don’t go around making shit up.

Are you a farmer or rancher whose commodities have been directly impacted by unjustified foreign retaliatory tariffs, resulting in the loss of traditional export markets? The Market Facilitation Program was created for producers just like you.
https://www.farmers.gov/manage/mfp

 

[Enron]

This involves catastrophe risk, which all coastlines have to worry about. The likelihood of a Cat 2 or above hurricane hitting NYC is relatively low. Of course, Sandy was a disaster, but even that storm was somewhat of a once in a century type of storm due to its size and retrograde motion. I think this stuff is important, but you have to cut something.

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I would definitely cut some military spending, for sure.

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This is another thing I don't quite understand. Why do so many people on the left hate farmers so much?

neither left nor right politics have been particularly kind to farmers over the course of the last 50 years.

 

[Bjerknes]

Good for you. Just don’t go around making shit up.

Are you a farmer or rancher whose commodities have been directly impacted by unjustified foreign retaliatory tariffs, resulting in the loss of traditional export markets? The Market Facilitation Program was created for producers just like you.
https://www.farmers.gov/manage/mfp

Are you saying the left hates farmers because of that program?

 

[Ronn]

Are you saying the left hates farmers because of that program?

I’m saying you making up shit by the minute. Stop.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Farmers? For what, vegetables??? Who needs them, this is Murica

 

[Bjerknes]

I’m saying you making up shit by the minute. Stop.

What exactly am I making up? Everyone knows the left hates "fly-over country."