'Murica! (178 Viewers)

[Maddy]

Of course you can't feel the pain of every human being in the planet and still be able to survive. The question is how do you define your tribe vs the others?

My best bid: 'understanding'; language, culture, values, appearance. The more similar another human is to you, the more liekly you are to feel sympathy towards this human.

 

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[pitbull]

I'm not religious, and what I said was not pretty direct. If you can't see it, I'm sorry. I can't help you.

well then maybe you should educate yourself about the religion before assuming things about it you don't have to be religious to have read and grasped at least parts of the Bible

 

[Maddy]

well then maybe you should educate yourself about the religion before assuming things about it you don't have to be religious to have read and grasped at least parts of the Bible

 

[Seven]

I see and understand.

Guess it's a reaction from me based on annoying left wingers and social liberals calling - what to me is realism - the devils work and pure evil. But that's a domestic discussion.

I'm confident you have that in Belgium as well, guess most Belgians are quite reluctant to take in more people from the Middle East and Africa?

Many indeed are. After all we are talking about a number of refugees significant enough to be noticed and people will be worried. That's just how people are.

But possibly the biggest issue we face here is that our current minister for immigration is not only right wing, but also a populist who isn't afraid of flat out lying about certain topics. It has made the debate incredibly toxic. Personally I believe his behaviour is almost criminal.

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seriously, I don't see it. to quote yourself, can you get out of your "religious vagueness" and point out to me what exactly in the bible says that you should choose Not-Voting or Hillary over Trump? if you can't quote a verse, a general idea/story is enough.

and Trump being callous towards anybody outside of his camp isn't exactly a fact as well, it's not like that was his campaign slogan

Are you seriously going to argue Trump cares about anybody other than himself? Because so far I have seen nothing that points in that direction.

 

[Ronn]

well then maybe you should educate yourself about the religion before assuming things about it you don't have to be religious to have read and grasped at least parts of the Bible

Where did I say I don't know anything about religion? How did you assume that? I'm not religious and absolutely hate ambiguity that comes with it. I grew up in an Islamic country, where studying Islamic theology was part of school curriculum. Also, I live among Jesus freaks from all kinds now.

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seriously, I don't see it. to quote yourself, can you get out of your "religious vagueness" and point out to me what exactly in the bible says that you should choose Not-Voting or Hillary over Trump? if you can't quote a verse, a general idea/story is enough.

and Trump being callous towards anybody outside of his camp isn't exactly a fact as well, it's not like that was his campaign slogan

 

[pitbull]

Many indeed are. After all we are talking about a number of refugees significant enough to be noticed and people will be worried. That's just how people are.

But possibly the biggest issue we face here is that our current minister for immigration is not only right wing, but also a populist who isn't afraid of flat out lying about certain topics. It has made the debate incredibly toxic. Personally I believe his behaviour is almost criminal.

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Are you seriously going to argue Trump cares about anybody other than himself? Because so far I have seen nothing that points in that direction.

No Im not going to argue that, lol, that guy is a disaster. But was it some kind of a well known fact at the time that would make everyone voting Trump immoral?

 

[Seven]

No Im not going to argue that, lol, that guy is a disaster. But was it some kind of a well known fact at the time that would make everyone voting Trump immoral?

I have almost never thought that way of a politician before, but yes, I do think that voting Trump at that particular time was probably immoral.

 

[pitbull]

Where did I say I don't know anything about religion? How did you assume that? I'm not religious and absolutely hate ambiguity that comes with it. I grew up in an Islamic country, where studying Islamic theology was part of school curriculum. Also, I live among Jesus freaks from all kinds now.

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Where did you assume that I assumed that? You couldnt base your argument about "Christian moral code in regards to state governance" on actual quotes in the Bible, so I gave you advice to educate yoursellf more, whats wrong with that?

 

[Ronn]

No Im not going to argue that, lol, that guy is a disaster. But was it some kind of a well known fact at the time that would make everyone voting Trump immoral?

Banning Muslims from entering US, mocking handicapped Times reporter, Shit he said about most of the Mexicans coming here are drug dealers or rapists, ...

 

[pitbull]

I have almost never thought that way of a politician before, but yes, I do think that voting Trump at that particular time was probably immoral.

So ~half of USA is immoral? Id prefer to think that they simply made a very bad choice

 

[Ronn]

Where did you assume that I assumed that? You couldnt base your argument about "Christian moral code in regards to state governance" on actual quotes in the Bible, so I gave you advice to educate yoursellf more, whats wrong with that?

well then maybe you should educate yourself about the religion before assuming things about it you don't have to be religious to have read and grasped at least parts of the Bible

 

[Seven]

So ~half of USA is immoral? Id prefer to think that they simply made a very bad choice

No, I actually believe this choice speaks volumes about the US population. And not in a good way. It is probably something European leaders will want to remember for decades to come.

 

[pitbull]

Yeahh I didnt say you dont know anything, I pointed out you doont know enough to make the point you're making

 

[Ronn]

Yeahh I didnt say you dont know anything, I pointed out you doont know enough to make the point you're making

Fair enough. Can you educate us how you can believe in "Love your neighbor as yourself" (I believe it's Mark 12) and still choose Trump as your leader?

 

[Fr3sh]

Fair enough. Can you educate us how you can believe in "Love your neighbor as yourself" (I believe it's Mark 12) and still choose Trump as your leader?

Your neighbor is your cousin?

 

[IliveForJuve]

As if it were a secret that Christians are ignorant bigots.

 

[king Ale]

Thanks, but I'm doing just fine understanding you, sweet cheeks. Mind pointing out why this video was so darn important for me to watch? It's correlates mighty find with my political view on how to treat this matter; create opportunities, increase equality etc.

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But you have just seen the video, didn't you?

There's clearly areas where there isn't that opportunity?

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Raj is agreeing with me, or rather I agree with him

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2017/04/21/science.aal4617.full

liek lel

Sure, that's what the policymakers are supposed to do. Point is, within the US, there are huge regional differences in terms of opportunities and upward mobility - such differences might not be as striking in European countries. The second point I was making, and is not based on data but is simply my personal take, is that while it's optimal to keep touch with reality, it is imo healthier to overestimate than underestimate your control over your life outcomes. To believe that you can make a change (even if in reality you can't) is motivating and necessary for you to function. The policymakers' job is not and should not be related to how people assess their chances of moving upwards.

 

[Maddy]

As if it were a secret that Christians are ignorant bigots.

*soem

 

[IliveForJuve]

Yeah, some.

A lot, actually.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I'd rather pessimist than optimist as the former are more likely to be in touch with reality and less likely to delude themselfs.