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Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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This picture's pretty much on point, when it comes to dumbass 'muricans such as Hustini's ignorance and naivety when it comes to 'the american dream'



But but but but it's MY american dream :baus:
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
Figure 7 was interesting.

Would also be interesting to see the same survey results with a new president. At the time of the surveys everyone thought it would be a HC term with the same policies going forward.

Lol. All figure 7 does, when confronted with everything else in the study, is show you're obviously deluded.

Elsewhere in the study they say this:
n general, Europeans are not only more pessimistic
than Americans, they are also too pessimistic relative to reality, while Americans are too optimistic.
Three additional facts stand out. First, Americans vastly over-estimate the probability of making
it to the top of the ladder for children starting from the bottom. This is the embodiment of the
idea of the “American dream.”
Second, Europeans are too pessimistic about the chances of getting
out of poverty, i.e., out of the bottom quintile. Third, Europeans are also too pessimistic about
the probability of making it to the upper middle class (the fourth quintile). The answers to the
qualitative questions are highly correlated with those to the quantitative questions and paint a very
similar picture.
I really don't know how much more obvious this is going to have to get for you..
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
“Over estimate the probability”


Did anyone say it was easy to be successful? Noooooppee. Gotta work for it.

Loved how it’s politcally charged “left wing vs right wing”.

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And what the top of the ladder? Subjective because ITS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
“Over estimate the probability”


Did anyone say it was easy to be successful? Noooooppee. Gotta work for it.

Loved how it’s politcally charged “left wing vs right wing”.

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And what the top of the ladder? Subjective because ITS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE.

The American Dream is being rewarded for the work you put in. Apparently this is much more likely in Europe. That's the debate. Don't twist and turn. Admit. You. Were. Wrong.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
The American Dream is being rewarded for the work you put in. Apparently this is much more likely in Europe. That's the debate. Don't twist and turn. Admit. You. Were. Wrong.
Lol I have always said or eluded to it’s based on work ethic. How is that wrong? I don’t give a crap about Europe. I live here and see the opportunities I’ve had. It’s like you absolutely can’t live with an opposition to how you see something.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
Lol I have always said or eluded to it’s based on work ethic. How is that wrong? I don’t give a crap about Europe. I live here and see the opportunities I’ve had. It’s like you absolutely can’t live with an opposition to how you see something.

The debate is about whether you are more likely to be rewarded for the work you put in in Europe or the US. In other words, which place offers most social mobility? Clearly the US does poorly in this regard. Which is why the American Dream today is, quite simply, a lie.

And it's especially toxic because it blames people for stuff they can do fuck all about.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Lol it isn’t a lie. People with rough upbringing in the states are perfectly capable of being successful and moving “up the ladder” if that’s what they want and are willing to do something about it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
Lol it isn’t a lie. People with rough upbringing in the states are perfectly capable of being successful and moving “up the ladder” if that’s what they want and are willing to do something about it.
Except, you know, they're not. Which is proven time and time again.
 

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