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icemaη

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Enron

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Lol no no i agree with you, what he said wasn't racist, very unpresident like and with 0 tact, but those are shitholes.
We're a nation built by people from shithole countries.



I think him contrasting black and brown places against Norway doesn't help him appear to be less racist.

I have no sympathy for the man or people that think and act like him.
 

Fr3sh

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Lol no no i agree with you, what he said wasn't racist, very unpresident like and with 0 tact, but those are shitholes.
:agree:

As much as I love African countries and Haiti, it's true. You can't fathom making those states improve if you can't look at it as it is. Trump is without a doubt an idiot, but what he says is true. They are third rate if not fourth rate nations if you even want to call them nations, they barely have sovereignty over their own nations, they are puppet nations. Whenever a real leader à la Sankara rises he gets assasinated.
 
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:agree:

As much as I love African countries and Haiti, it's true. You can't fathom making those states improve if you can't look at it as it is. Trump is without a doubt an idiot, but what he says is true. They are third rate if not fourth rate nations if you even want to call them nations, they barely have sovereignty over their own nations, they are puppet nations. Whenever a real leader à la Sankara rises he gets assasinated.
Maybe, but I doubt Trump thinks it's a shithole for the same reason.
 

GordoDeCentral

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We're a nation built by people from shithole countries.



I think him contrasting black and brown places against Norway doesn't help him appear to be less racist.

I have no sympathy for the man or people that think and act like him.
If we start interpreting speech through a racial lens where do we stop, maybe Trump had racist motives in his words maybe he didn't, doesn't change the fact what he said is correct.
 

Enron

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If we start interpreting speech through a racial lens where do we stop, maybe Trump had racist motives in his words maybe he didn't, doesn't change the fact what he said is correct.
It's Trump. He brings it on himself.

The racial lens is provided by the author of the speech in this case. So most anything somewhat racial that comes out of his is most likely to be viewed as racist. Easy fix to this problem? Maybe don't say racial stuff all the time.
 

king Ale

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It's not calling those countries "shitholes" that's racist, it's "why we take people from those shitholes", "take them out" or "bring people from Norway" bits that are racist, cause those assume being from shithole countries makes one less worthy or for some reason being from Norway has an inherent value (though it was pretty obvious why the remarks were racist but this thread never fails to amaze in grasping the simplest things).
 

Quetzalcoatl

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Aug 22, 2007
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It's not calling those countries "shitholes" that's racist, it's "why we take people from those shitholes", "take them out" or "bring people from Norway" bits that are racist, cause those assume being from shithole countries makes one less worthy or for some reason being from Norway has an inherent value (though it was pretty obvious why the remarks were racist but this thread never fails to amaze in grasping the simplest things).
That's why you're the best
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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Lol no no i agree with you, what he said wasn't racist, very unpresident like and with 0 tact, but those are shitholes.
GTFO

Trump is not some dude that gets beenfit of the doubt. you just have to look at his speeches and twitter account to know he's not some misunderstood humanitarian.

arent you from a shithole country anyway? would be funny seeing you get deported

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lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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It's not calling those countries "shitholes" that's racist, it's "why we take people from those shitholes", "take them out" or "bring people from Norway" bits that are racist, cause those assume being from shithole countries makes one less worthy or for some reason being from Norway has an inherent value (though it was pretty obvious why the remarks were racist but this thread never fails to amaze in grasping the simplest things).
would it be 'racist' if he said the same about people from white shithole countries like warsaw pact countries or Italy or so?

Fucking Romanians etc stealing our copper cables and break into my neighbour's appartment I don't want them in the EU and being able to move freely, is it racist or what?

I never had a guy from Norway break in. Literally had to make an expensive household insurance because of roaming east europeans
 

king Ale

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would it be 'racist' if he said the same about people from white shithole countries like warsaw pact countries or Italy or so?
I won't have a discussion about semantics and dictionary definitions of terms here. It's plain and simple: To suggest that being of a certain race/nationality/religion determines human worth is racist. Not only does Trump do that, he also suggests discriminating based on those attributes. As such, to say "take these people out" or "ban these people from entering" for no better reason than because they are from country x or religion y is racist.

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I never had a guy from Norway break in. Literally had to make an expensive household insurance because of roaming east europeans
Like i suspected, those who "don't see color, but only a kid with a monkey motif on his shirt" and want to move on and not talk about a long history behind a racial slur are almost ALWAYS those who suddenly see colors when reporting on crimes or talking about terrorism.
 

GordoDeCentral

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It's not calling those countries "shitholes" that's racist, it's "why we take people from those shitholes", "take them out" or "bring people from Norway" bits that are racist, cause those assume being from shithole countries makes one less worthy or for some reason being from Norway has an inherent value (though it was pretty obvious why the remarks were racist but this thread never fails to amaze in grasping the simplest things).
Why are those places shitholes?
 

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