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Depends.


If he removes the obligation to marry anyone, and leave it up to the moral choise of the person, it would be something all the conservatives would back in great numbers.

Their main issue is that a person who weds a couple shouldnt be forced to do so.



but i dont know what rights you are talking about, the above is just what i know is a thing among the conservative and alot of reps
Maybe with a few but a major component of the Rep agenda for the last decade has been to protect the sanctity of marriage. Which means no gays marrying. Not protecting the rights of clergy.
 
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3 billion promised by whole continent of europe to keep those 'filthy' Syrians out of Europe. They didn't even pay that 3 billion but 500 million so far. Turkey already spent 12 billion, not to mention other socioeconomic effects such as increased unemployment, crime rate and house prices/rent.

keep your money if you like but at least don't bullshit about it.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Really curious why some people want authoritarian leaders. Is it to compensate for their own weakness and insecurity or are they just gullible and ill informed?
It's primarily fear.
Tons of studies have been conducted on Iran's case. Iran's GDP rose rapidly in early 70s due to Iran becoming a major oil exporter. The excess income created huge inequality, and the middle class were under this illusion that Khomeini and his gang will bring that down since their message had some communist elements in it. After Shah was toppled the ruling gang resorted to "law and order" message in response to several militant uprisings in the west of the country as well as opposition from leftist groups in the cities. Saddam's attack in 1980 was the nail in the coffin. It gave the government the excuse it needed to suppress any opposition.
If you ask an Iranian in their 30s they might all tell you horror stories about how opposition groups were extremely violent and Islamic Republic was right to stop them. Some of it is true, but most were exaggerated. A guy who worked for my father once told me a story on how one of the opposition groups were only sending women and children to protest to prevent the violence. Islamic Republic thugs had knives attached to the end of their chains, and were riding their motorcycles into the those women and children.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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It's primarily fear.
Tons of studies have been conducted on Iran's case. Iran's GDP rose rapidly in early 70s due to Iran becoming a major oil exporter. The excess income created huge inequality, and the middle class were under this illusion that Khomeini and his gang will bring that down since their message had some communist elements in it. After Shah was toppled the ruling gang resorted to "law and order" message in response to several militant uprisings in the west of the country as well as opposition from leftist groups in the cities. Saddam's attack in 1980 was the nail in the coffin. It gave the government the excuse it needed to suppress any opposition.
If you ask an Iranian in their 30s they might all tell you horror stories about how opposition groups were extremely violent and Islamic Republic was right to stop them. Some of it is true, but most were exaggerated. A guy who worked for my father once told me a story on how one of the opposition groups were only sending women and children to protest to prevent the violence. Islamic Republic thugs had knives attached to the end of their chains, and were riding their motorcycles into the those women and children.
That's one of the key points for me.

Inequality is a scarily reliable predictor of social unrest, political instability & turns to authoritarianism. It's a big reason why I'm so strongly opposed to economic liberalism and support a strong welfare state.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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That's one of the key points for me.

Inequality is a scarily reliable predictor of social unrest, political instability & turns to authoritarianism. It's a big reason why I'm so strongly opposed to economic liberalism and support a strong welfare state.
Khomeini in his first speech after coming back to Iran in 1979 said in his administration electricity, water, etc. would be free. After he grabbed the power he famously said "we did not revolt because of the economy. economy is for animals"

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Iran was libtard central. :p
:lol:
There was an urban legend that an AFP reporter asked Khomeini whether he's going to ban Beethoven music like Mao did in Cultural Revolution. Khomeini replied "who the hell is Beethoven?" in his countryside accent.
 

Osman

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Zacheryah

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Khomeini in his first speech after coming back to Iran in 1979 said in his administration electricity, water, etc. would be free. After he grabbed the power he famously said "we did not revolt because of the economy. economy is for animals"

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:lol:
There was an urban legend that an AFP reporter asked Khomeini whether he's going to ban Beethoven music like Mao did in Cultural Revolution. Khomeini replied "who the hell is Beethoven?" in his countryside accent.
:D


I had a funny iranian teacher in middle school who was quite passionate, when one of us got lazy, he used to goad us about what we want to become and how this part of our lives is key to shaping our future (in comedic way). Be vigiliant, absorb knowledge and think before other people do it for you and so on. Allways end with cautionary joke about stupid people (he wasnt very PC but loved him for it), most of his butt of the jokes was Khomeini, things like "but hey, if all things fail you could be a stupid peasant who can barely utter an intelligent thought but still rule all powerful for decades", its a decent fallback plan :D

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I guess we are exposed in different ways. I havent heard much of him in sweden media, plus the international/US media I encountered hasnt really talked about him in depth yet, when he is the biggiest unknown factor in his this new power dynamics. Actually has he even made any public appearance, in terms of talking to media or such? His rise has been rapid really, from joke site like Breibart to basically being an unofficial vice president almost in terms of influence.

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I dont know if any of you posted this a week ago, but laughs was had over this on point brilliant spoof :D



@Martin you still in Holland? Even in joking way Holland sounds so boring :D
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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I guess we are exposed in different ways. I havent heard much of him in sweden media, plus the international/US media I encountered hasnt really talked about him in depth yet, when he is the biggiest unknown factor in his this new power dynamics. Actually has he even made any public appearance, in terms of talking to media or such?
Only the inverview in which he bashed the mainstream media. (which was fair)


In Belgium, all media took an extreme anti-Trump standpoint from the start and we have been bombarded with negativity since november.


I really wonder if this is the same in other country's. Each day, flanders news(the credible one) and the standaard(regular) publish 10 or more acticles about trump combined.

Each day.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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I dont know if any of you posted this a week ago, but laughs was had over this on point brilliant spoof :D



@Martin you still in Holland? Even in joking way Holland sounds so boring :D
It was hilarious. And to be fair, a very good impersonation of the way he speaks. Best i've hard yet.

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Swedish media are completely shocked about pretty much everything Trump does. And they are have reason to be really.
How is the far right response in sweden ?


i'd think considering the reports of linking rape with the big migration boom (not saying if they are true, but they are there), and the actions of trump, they could see a rise in popularity
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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It was hilarious. And to be fair, a very good impersonation of the way he speaks. Best i've hard yet.
Its insanely on point, nothing an american comedy sketch program can do tops this, SNL must be jelly :D

Even if they SNL's only acheivement is they manage to troll Trump hard, the retard attacks them on twitter weekly for mocking him like they done to all presidents in the past, and he keeps watching and acts shocked they dare to do it, EVERY week, biggiest snow flake ever in handling critique/mocking :D

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i'd think considering the reports of linking rape with the big migration boom (not saying if they are true, but they are there), and the actions of trump, they could see a rise in popularity
I havent paid attention to that yet, they are usually predictably boring. But far right in general in Europe take a little liking to Trump. Even if some joke about him too. They applaude his brash BS kinda in a way some of them celebrated Brexit like it was the first battle of a crusade to take back Europe lol.
 

Zacheryah

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Its insanely on point, nothing an american comedy sketch program can do tops this, SNL must be jelly :D

Even if they SNL's only acheivement is they manage to troll Trump hard, the retard attacks them on twitter weekly for mocking him like they done to all presidents in the past, and he keeps watching and acts shocked they dare to do it, EVERY week, biggiest snow flake ever in handling critique/mocking :D
I do find it odd Trump got so sensitive about satire.


He volunteered to be in the 'roast' x years ago, which is quite hard. but then this is too much ?


And he doesnt need to. Trumps fans arent influenced by this, he can be the bigger man by ignoring it, without losing a vote
 

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