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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,502
He'll disappear, become quiet and then turn on Trump and say he never supported him. Truly disgusting pos.
Did that with Obama utterly and completely too. Went from ardent fan to an incredibly passionate Obama hater.



But I dont not believe it will happen with Trump, the hate part I mean, but he will say he didnt really support him at the end of the day, only didnt want Hillary etc.

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You know why i didn't take part in the "black folks"/democrats debate?

Because i felt like i didn't have enough background knowledge to participate.

I really wish you'd follow suit and stop talking out of your ass if you have no idea what you are talking about.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,536
That's nothing wrong with Andy liking Obama initially and then changing his opinion once he spent more time in office. Just because he liked him in the beginning doesn't mean he has to like him forever. A lot of people were disappointed by Obama.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
That's nothing wrong with Andy liking Obama initially and then changing his opinion once he spent more time in office. Just because he liked him in the beginning doesn't mean he has to like him forever. A lot of people were disappointed by Obama.
Sure. But you should just admit that. In this case Andy his enthusiasm for Trump at the beginning, suddenly was his biggest fan when he got elected and now he's quiet because he knows Trump is fucking up. Andy has zero integrity.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,502
That's nothing wrong with Andy liking Obama initially and then changing his opinion once he spent more time in office. Just because he liked him in the beginning doesn't mean he has to like him forever. A lot of people were disappointed by Obama.
Ofcourse, but it happend incredibly quickly, and engaging him at the time, it was like he never ever supported/like Obama in any way.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
You know why i didn't take part in the "black folks"/democrats debate?

Because i felt like i didn't have enough background knowledge to participate.

I really wish you'd follow suit and stop talking out of your ass if you have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm not. But I don't mind being called that too much.

You on the other hand will be held accountable for what this ape is doing.
Zach just posted an article from the Gatestone Institute to support his "expertise" on the subject of migrant crime as though that means anything at all. :lol:

The Gatestone Institute’s founding president is Nina Rosenwald, whom journalist Max Blumenthal describes as the “sugar mama of anti-Muslim hate”. A report by the Center for American Progress found that through a philanthropic foundation, Rosenwald and her family have donated more than $2.8 million since 2000 to “organisations that fan the flames of Islamophobia”. Examples of fascists she has funded include: Brigitte Gabriel, who in 2006 declared that Muslims “have no souls - they are dead set on killing and destruction”; former Pentagon official Frank Gaffney’s neocon Center for Security Policy (CSP), which has published conspiratorial pamphlets warning that American Muslims are engaged in a “stealth jihad” to install "Shariah Law" in the country; and most prominently, Middle East Forum founding director Daniel Pipes, who once described Muslims in the Netherlands as “brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and not exactly maintaining Germanic standards of hygiene”.

Unsurprisingly, Murray’s Henry Jackson Society happens to be another grant beneficiary of the “Abstraction Fund” owned by Gatestone’s Rosenwald.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
The biggest problem with guys like Andy and Zach is that they are upper middle class white guys, who rely on rich neocon white guys for information and opinions on minorities. The links they post, the opinions they share, are almost exclusively informed by rich white men who have absolutely no connection at all to or understanding of these communities.

And whether the MSM has its problems with manipulation and bias (it does), it gives a voice to the leaders of the African American community, to the leaders of the Muslim American community and so on... and those voices are of value and should be listened to and given far more weight when formulating opinions on those specific communities.

Instead, we have buffoons, thinking they know "the facts" because of some propaganda they read from a neocon think tank. It's gross. It's dishonest. And they should be utterly ashamed of themselves for being that gullible and disrespectful of these communities and the issues facing them.

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This article is a good one... on the problem of governments (both autocratic and democratic) becoming dependent on fear of terrorism to hold power and to gain in approval ratings...

http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays/how-terrorism-useful-our-governments-112174807

There's a study from HRW from a couple years ago that states a large number of terror plots post-9/11 by Muslims in America were borderline entrapment, with FBI informants inciting people to act, who otherwise may never have done so.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us-terrorism-prosecutions-often-illusion
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,369
The biggest problem with guys like Andy and Zach is that they are upper middle class white guys, who rely on rich neocon white guys for information and opinions on minorities. The links they post, the opinions they share, are almost exclusively informed by rich white men who have absolutely no connection at all to or understanding of these communities.

And whether the MSM has its problems with manipulation and bias (it does), it gives a voice to the leaders of the African American community, to the leaders of the Muslim American community and so on... and those voices are of value and should be listened to and given far more weight when formulating opinions on those specific communities.

Instead, we have buffoons, thinking they know "the facts" because of some propaganda they read from a neocon think tank. It's gross. It's dishonest. And they should be utterly ashamed of themselves for being that gullible and disrespectful of these communities and the issues facing them.

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This article is a good one... on the problem of governments (both autocratic and democratic) becoming dependent on fear of terrorism to hold power and to gain in approval ratings...

http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays/how-terrorism-useful-our-governments-112174807

There's a study from HRW from a couple years ago that states a large number of terror plots post-9/11 by Muslims in America were borderline entrapment, with FBI informants inciting people to act, who otherwise may never have done so.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us-terrorism-prosecutions-often-illusion
I always wondered how that is legal.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
icemaη;5452041 said:
I always wondered how that is legal.
Apparently entrapment, especially with the broad powers given to the FBI related to counterterrorism post 9/11, is almost impossible to prove, and in this case it is up to the defendant to prove it.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
The biggest problem with guys like Andy and Zach is that they are upper middle class white guys, who rely on rich neocon white guys for information and opinions on minorities. The links they post, the opinions they share, are almost exclusively informed by rich white men who have absolutely no connection at all to or understanding of these communities.

And whether the MSM has it's problems with manipulation and bias (it does), it gives a voice to the leaders of the African American community, to the leaders of the Muslim American community and so on... and those voices are of value and should be listened to and given some weight when formulating opinions on those specific communities.

Instead, we have buffoons, thinking they know "the facts" because of some propaganda they read from a neocon think tank. It's gross. It's dishonest. And they should be utterly ashamed of themselves for being that gullible and disrespectful of these communities and the issues facing them.
To be fair to Andy, he receives parts of his information from coal miners in West Virginia.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Holy shit. But someone should tell the writer that Iranian leaders don't require a permission from parliament to start a military attack. But honestly you should be retarded if you lose the moral high ground to the Islamic Repubic


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Yesterday I saw someone complaining about Iranian people's silence when Islamic Republic banned Israeli citizens from traveling to the country :lol:
 

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