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[Enron]

I'm surprised no one brought up his waterboarding comment yet

I think him being pro torture is less surprising than some of the other stuff.

 

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[Bjerknes]

So the state department peaced out. That's promising.

That is very promising. Maybe they will get someone who doesn't create catastrophes this time.

 

[Zacheryah]

Wasent Bin Laden caught under Obama's reign, after a terrorist leaked vital information when beeing waterboarded ?

 

[Enron]

That is very promising. Maybe they will get someone who doesn't create catastrophes this time.

It is unlikely.

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Wasent Bin Laden caught under Obama's reign, after a terrorist leaked vital information when beeing waterboarded ?

I don't know, but you could probably google the report.

 

[Maddy]

Wasent Bin Laden caught under Obama's reign, after a terrorist leaked vital information when beeing waterboarded ?

Do you know that there haven't been a single terrorist attack in North Korea in decades?

 

[swag]

Wasent Bin Laden caught under Obama's reign, after a terrorist leaked vital information when beeing waterboarded ?

I thought that was long refuted. The CIA refuted it, even though the Senate intelligence committee questioned the CIA's statement.

Do you know that there haven't been a single terrorist attack in North Korea in decades?

Gotta have our model societies, yo.

 

[Zacheryah]

Do you know that there haven't been a single terrorist attack in North Korea in decades?

I thought that was long refuted. The CIA refuted it, even though the Senate intelligence committee questioned the CIA's statement.



Gotta have our model societies, yo.

certainly the USA couldnt have killed its number one enemy by getting information from torture, especialy under a democrat who are less "acta exitus probat"

 

[DAiDEViL]

Are Answers given under torture reliable? I highly doubt it.

One of the interesting features of the torture debate is that many in the military and intelligence communities seem decidedly unconvinced about the effectiveness of torture. Ali Soufan, a former FBI special agent with considerable experience interrogating al-Qaeda operatives, pointed out in Time that:

"When they are in pain, people will say anything to get the pain to stop. Most of the time, they will lie, make up anything to make you stop hurting them. That means the information you're getting is useless."

He isn't alone in this assessment – a number of former intelligence people have expressed similar views, and his words are echoed by the US Army Training Manual's section on interrogation, which suggests that:

"…the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear."

...Suppose I start beating you around the head, demanding that you tell me that Justin Bieber is in fact a supremely talented artist. Eventually, although it may take several days of torture to get there, you'll tell me what I want to hear, but that doesn't make it true.

The second major problem is that human memory just isn't reliable. Take a bunch of witnesses from any major news event: a bombing, 9/11, a car crash, wherever. The more people you interview, the more different stories you'll get, because our recall of past events isn't always very accurate. On top of that, there is a vast body of scientific literature telling us that one way to make a person's memory even less reliable is to deprive them of sleep, or put them under great stress, or otherwise confuse them. You know, like you do with torture

https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/nov/04/2

 

[Zacheryah]

Are Answers given under torture reliable? I highly doubt it.



https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/nov/04/2

The reason why waterboarding is effective, is because its not pain related. there is no such thing as fear of the pain.


Its the effect you are drowning, feeling of actually going to die.



They'll get bs info if the terrorist indeed knows little. But someone who does, will speak.



If you capture a guy you know has info, he will give it up at some point.

 

[Enron]

The reason why waterboarding is effective, is because its not pain related. there is no such thing as fear of the pain.


Its the effect you are drowning, feeling of actually going to die.



They'll get bs info if the terrorist indeed knows little. But someone who does, will speak.



If you capture a guy you know has info, he will give it up at some point.

Have you been water boarded?

 

[Maddy]

Have you been water boarded?

Some kind of Golden Shower-reference?

@Dru @swag

 

[Enron]

Just in:

Trump wants to charge 20% tariff on imported goods from Mexico to pay for the wall.

Not sure if he can actually do that. Guess we will see.

 

[Seven]

The reason why waterboarding is effective, is because its not pain related. there is no such thing as fear of the pain.


Its the effect you are drowning, feeling of actually going to die.



They'll get bs info if the terrorist indeed knows little. But someone who does, will speak.



If you capture a guy you know has info, he will give it up at some point.

Sorry, but that makes no sense.

 

[Seven]

Just in:

Trump wants to charge 20% tariff on imported goods from Mexico to pay for the wall.

Not sure if he can actually do that. Guess we will see.

That means Americans are paying for the wall. Mexicans don't even indirectly pay for it in that scenario.

 

[.zero]

Some kind of Golden Shower-reference?

@Dru @swag

I'm not a fan of water sports

probably because I'm just not good at them

 

[Zacheryah]

Just in:

Trump wants to charge 20% tariff on imported goods from Mexico to pay for the wall.

Not sure if he can actually do that. Guess we will see.

So americans buying from mexico pay for the wall.


Is there another, say alternative ( ), way of looking at it, cause i dont see it

 

[DAiDEViL]

Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Did he just say that the fear of pain is worse than the fear of death?

 

[Seven]

So americans buying from mexico pay for the wall.


Is there another, say alternative ( ), way of looking at it, cause i dont see it

Nope, there isn't. But there is also no other way. If you build a wall, you have to pay for the wall. And it will cost billions.

No idea why this got him votes.

 

[Zacheryah]

Did he just say that the fear of pain is worse than the fear of death?

Its absolutely amazing how you managed to read it so wrong tbh. Ill +rep for that

 

[DAiDEViL]

Its absolutely amazing how you managed to read it so wrong tbh. Ill +rep for that

How did i read it wrong? Is there an alternative way of reading it?

You said "The reason why waterboarding is effective, is because its not pain related. there is no such thing as fear of the pain.

Its the effect you are drowning, feeling of actually going to die."