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[Enron]

No, it's the people that pander to them.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html



He lost 916 million dollars in 1995. Which would allow him to potentially avoid paying income tax for 18 years...

So he doesn't pay taxes because how big of a loser he is?

 

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[king Ale]

So he lost almost a third of his net worth in 1995?
seriously WTF America!

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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-iran-relations-hillary-clinton-2016-election

There are people in Iran who still think Trump will be less dangerous for Iran in terms of war likelihood and because of his alleged ties to Russia.

Every Iranian who was following the US elections could notice the Ahmadinejad-Trump similarities from the get go but for this to reach the Guardian was a Mamooti dream come true I have realized after all these years that Ahmadinejad's first and biggest motive was to become famous, everything else (power, money, religious motives, etc) was secondary/nonexistent.

 

[ALC]

No, it's the people that pander to them.

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So he doesn't pay taxes because how big of a lose he is?

He had a really bad year but I'm 100% sure he exaggerated the shit out of those numbers so he wouldn't pay taxes in the future. He is a businessman after all. Just playing the system and when you look at that, how much can you blame him for doing it really? The govt let him get away with that.

 

[Seven]

He had a really bad year but I'm 100% sure he exaggerated the shit out of those numbers so he wouldn't pay taxes in the future. He is a businessman after all. Just playing the system and when you look at that, how much can you blame him for doing it really? The govt let him get away with that.

This guy is a fraud in everything he does. And like South Park aptly put it in one of their recent episodes, he's doing and saying everything he can to get out, but somehow people make excuses for everything.

It's like you've all conspired to elect this dude.

 

[Seven]

Those 'tards are no different than those who said Obama would pay for their mortgage, give them free everything, create a haven for black people, et cetera. It's all the same nonsense on both sides. Republicans and Democrats are basically equal in terms of retardation, it's just that the Democrats actually think they're smarter than everyone else.

They have to be. The system is fucked up.

 

[ALC]

This guy is a fraud in everything he does. And like South Park aptly put it in one of their recent episodes, he's doing and saying everything he can to get out, but somehow people make excuses for everything.

It's like you've all conspired to elect this dude.

Who's making excuses? If someone is able to get away with paying less taxes (in a legal manner), what's wrong with that? It comes down to the govt not being harsh enough on rich people which is what needs to change. Better regulation would get rid of moves like that.

But I'm not going to ostracize someone because they did not willfully pay more taxes than they had to.

 

[Ronn]

He had a really bad year but I'm 100% sure he exaggerated the shit out of those numbers so he wouldn't pay taxes in the future. He is a businessman after all. Just playing the system and when you look at that, how much can you blame him for doing it really? The govt let him get away with that.

His campaign also says he has fiduciary obligation to his businesses not to pay more taxes than he should. Nobody can fault him for that. Question is, if he is benefited so much from this system why would he want to change anything in it? Why should he have any interest in public service when he made his money gaming the system?
And of course, would you call a person successful of they blow off a third of their net worth in just one year?

 

[Seven]

Who's making excuses? If someone is able to get away with paying less taxes (in a legal manner), what's wrong with that? It comes down to the govt not being harsh enough on rich people which is what needs to change. Better regulation would get rid of moves like that.

But I'm not going to ostracize someone because they did not willfully pay more taxes than they had to.

This is not about taxes. This is about portraying yourself as a succesful businessman, when truth is you only ever got this far because of loans other people can't get and soft bankruptcy laws.

And then when people say you don't pay taxes, suddenly you say you're not such a good businessman after all.

Come on. If you vote for this guy, you'll look back on this in 20 years and be ashamed.

 

[ALC]

His campaign also says he has fiduciary obligation to his businesses not to pay more taxes than he should. Nobody can fault him for that. Question is, if he is benefited so much from this system why would he want to change anything in it? Why should he have any interest in public service when he made his money gaming the system?
And of course, would you call a person successful of they blow off a third of their net worth in just one year?

And that's up to the voter. Do they think he is okay with the status quo and wants to become president to keep it? Or has he realized how easy it is to game it?

Idk either way, I would never vote for him. I just wanted to say that not paying taxes in a legal way is something I can not blame him for whatsoever.

And for the last question, it depends on whether they make it back. Investment is a risky business and everyone loses money at some point. Would I call Donald Trump successful(in a business sense), as it stands? Yeah, I would.

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This is not about taxes. This is about portraying yourself as a succesful businessman, when truth is you only ever got this far because of loans other people can't get and soft bankruptcy laws.

And then when people say you don't pay taxes, suddenly you say you're not such a good businessman after all.

Come on. If you vote for this guy, you'll look back on this in 20 years and be ashamed.

I'm not voting for this guy, but him not paying taxes is not on him. It's on the IRS and the US government. Why would anyone on their right mind pay more taxes than they have to?

 

[Ronn]

And that's up to the voter. Do they think he is okay with the status quo and wants to become president to keep it? Or has he realized how easy it is to game it?

Idk either way, I would never vote for him. I just wanted to say that not paying taxes in a legal way is something I can not blame him for whatsoever.

And for the last question, it depends on whether they make it back. Investment is a risky business and everyone loses money at some point. Would I call Donald Trump successful(in a business sense), as it stands? Yeah, I would.

Being in the system is a dream come true for a person who is an expert in gaming it. So far the centerpiece of his campaign has been that "I'm a very successful person who knows the system very well. Give me a chance to fix it". But if you owe your whole wealth to a rigged system you probably don't have any interst in changing anything in it for the better.
I agree with you that you cannot fault him for not paying taxes. His campaign is right that he has fiduciary obligation not to pay more. Same argument was used for his bankruptcies. But it also shows he is lying when he says he wants to make the system better.
On the last part I did not phrase it well. I agree that Trump is a successful businessman. Surely much more successful than myself. But is he as successful as he advertises? I'd say no. Times article also attributes a portion of this huge loss to his dealings in Atlantic City, which he says was a total success


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[ALC]

Being in the system is a dream come true for a person who is an expert in gaming it. So far the centerpiece of his campaign has been that "I'm a very successful person who knows the system very well. Give me a chance to fix it". But if you owe your whole wealth to a rigged system you probably don't have any interst in changing anything in it for the better.
I agree with you that you cannot fault him for not paying taxes. His campaign is right that he has fiduciary obligation not to pay more. Same argument was used for his bankruptcies. But it also shows he is lying when he says he wants to make the system better.
On the last part I did not phrase it well. I agree that Trump is a successful businessman. Surely much more successful than myself. But is he as successful as he advertises? I'd say no. Times article also attributes a portion of this huge loss to his dealings in Atlantic City, which he says was a total success


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Most likely yeah, he wants to keep making money and there is no way he'll make changes to the system in a way that won't benefit him. Becoming president however does take away a lot of your focus from business, otherwise you'd see a lot more rich people go for the seat. In my opinion, he's power hungry and wants to make a legacy or whatever the fuck is going through his head.

And yeah, AC did not work out very well for him but he still has casinos there. Is he as successful as he says he is? No, but he has a tendency to exaggerate everything. Just look at the way he talks. So much hyperbole.

 

[king Ale]

SNL version of debate was hilarious

 

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[Valerio.]

I'll approve anyone who won't act like a world tyrant .
Someone who can explain why USA has nearly 150.000 soldiers around the world.
I'd like to know why we have to accept 13k soldiers in Italy, over 30k in Germany, 50k in Japan......
cowboys making more dmg than good.

So anyone between orange juice and icy-frigid lady will retreat the army back to the home country will get my moral vote

 

[ZoSo]

I'll approve anyone who won't act like a world tyrant .
Someone who can explain why USA has nearly 150.000 soldiers around the world.
I'd like to know why we have to accept 13k soldiers in Italy, over 30k in Germany, 50k in Japan......
cowboys making more dmg than good.

So anyone between orange juice and icy-frigid lady will retreat the army back to the home country will get my moral vote

Trump

 

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[Valerio.]

Trump

really? well anyway choosing between Trump or Ilary is like choosing between stupid and more stupid.
Really America had none else beside those two for the presidency?

what a sad world when you have to choose between a satanic beach and a idiotic man

 

[Fr3sh]

Trump

Hope he wins as well.
Wonder how much he'll try to sell Alaska for.

 

[ZoSo]

really? well anyway choosing between Trump or Ilary is like choosing between stupid and more stupid.
Really America had none else beside those two for the presidency?

what a sad world when you have to choose between a satanic beach and a idiotic man

Clinton is status quo, if anything she would expand overseas deployments. Trump said he doesn't see the value in it, but we'll see, even if he wanted to change it he might not get the approval of congress or whoever. The military industrial complex outlasts any President.

They are both unsuitable but I see Trump as far less worse. Hillary is like Obama without charisma and 5x the bad parts.

Hope he wins as well.
Wonder how much he'll try to sell Alaska for.

 

[Enron]

I'll approve anyone who won't act like a world tyrant .
Someone who can explain why USA has nearly 150.000 soldiers around the world.
I'd like to know why we have to accept 13k soldiers in Italy, over 30k in Germany, 50k in Japan......
cowboys making more dmg than good.

So anyone between orange juice and icy-frigid lady will retreat the army back to the home country will get my moral vote

You don't know why we ended up with soldiers in those nations? Or do you just think that we've had them there long enough and it is time to move out?