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[Bjerknes]

The main purpose of this post is not to step on anyone's toes, or to cause an argument or debate. But I would nonetheless like to open with the following: That after reading through some of these pages, I am shocked an appalled by what some of you guys are posting. It saddens me, because I've been posting with some of you for the better part of 20 years, and I've always respected you a lot.

From the bottom of my heart, I implore you: Please be better.

My 2 cents:

All I really want to say is that regardless of beliefs and viewpoints, nobody deserves to get killed for having them.

Personally, I lean to the right, but I would never jump for joy or rejoice if anyone on the left got brutally executed, which is what took place here.

Now, I have to point out that "leaning to the right" has a very different meaning in where I'm from (in alot of cases) as opposed to the US. Actually, being full blown right wing where I'm from, would probably still be considered moderate in the US.

But I digress;

I want to see human decency restored. I want us to stop dancing and making funny videos over other people's deaths, no matter who they are. I want there to be a bridge where there currently is nothing but a big divide.

For me, Charlie Kirk was all about that. Whether you liked him or not, at least one can't deny that he stepped up wherever he went with speech, with arguments, and the willingness to listen and talk. He had some controversial viewpoints, but at the end of the day he welcomed the debate.

To be gunned down, on University grounds, while debating opponents peacefully and thereby exercising the holiest (in my book) of rights; the freedom of speech, is not only a cruel act towards a citizen, a father, a husband, but also a direct stab at democracy itself.

Whether someone from the right or the left gets killed like this, it is wrong. Pure and simply cruel, evil and wrong. And endlessly sad.

I pray for Kirk's wife and kids, and I also pray for the USA, that there will one day be an end to this senseless "de facto" Civil War.

Coming back to this, I seriously doubt anyone here was happy to see this happen. The video of the shooting was brutal. But I wonder if you ever actually listened to his views or arguments. My black friends hate his guts, and I don’t blame them. And when it appears that the right is trying to run an Operation Gladio on everyone, when it’s obviously one of their own that killed him, you’re going to get some memes and jokes. His whole existence is everything that is wrong with the country. Just like his death. It’s almost like a meme in and of itself.

 

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[s4tch]

...I want there to be a bridge where there currently is nothing but a big divide.

For me, Charlie Kirk was all about that. Whether you liked him or not, at least one can't deny that he stepped up wherever he went with speech, with arguments, and the willingness to listen and talk. He had some controversial viewpoints, but at the end of the day he welcomed the debate....

i'll just address this: kirk was all about divide himself. he was racist to begin with, he endorsed gun violence by labeling school shootings as a necessary evil, he despised women, was a huge advocate of israel and labeled zelinsky a dictator without any evidence (i hope we wouldn't call russian propaganda an evidence lol), he thought empathy was meaningless, etc. and he was a mediocre debater. check his debates with the oxford students, they cooked him alive. many of his arguments relied on misinformation, his debating style always included logical fallacies, it really showed that he wasn't an educated person. his willingness to talk rarely extended to debate with academics, because not only he hated them, he was smart enough to know that he was unprepared for such debates

the only tragic thing in kirk's death is the fact that he was assassinated. then again, he preached hate, so it's not a complete surprise.

and no, i don't celebrate his death. even though kirk would have brought public executions back (the irony...), i'd never support that. but the world didn't lose a hero. the world lost a hateful, divisive figure. his death was early and tragic, and that's all. maga lost something, his family lost a father. oh well, what about 800k+ palestinians, 10's of thousands of ukrainians, or the dozens of victims of completely unnecessary school shootings this year. and the president treats him like a hero while completely ignores the kids killed at a school a few hundred miles away from kirk's execution, or the minnesota lawmaker who trump also didn't give a shit about.

everything about current republican politics screams divide and that included kirk too.

on a completely different and personal note, while i disagree with you on kirk (and probably on politics in general), i wish you posted more, either in this thread or elsewhere.

 

[icemaη]

The main purpose of this post is not to step on anyone's toes, or to cause an argument or debate. But I would nonetheless like to open with the following: That after reading through some of these pages, I am shocked an appalled by what some of you guys are posting. It saddens me, because I've been posting with some of you for the better part of 20 years, and I've always respected you a lot.

From the bottom of my heart, I implore you: Please be better.

My 2 cents:

All I really want to say is that regardless of beliefs and viewpoints, nobody deserves to get killed for having them.

Personally, I lean to the right, but I would never jump for joy or rejoice if anyone on the left got brutally executed, which is what took place here.

Now, I have to point out that "leaning to the right" has a very different meaning in where I'm from (in alot of cases) as opposed to the US. Actually, being full blown right wing where I'm from, would probably still be considered moderate in the US.

But I digress;

I want to see human decency restored. I want us to stop dancing and making funny videos over other people's deaths, no matter who they are. I want there to be a bridge where there currently is nothing but a big divide.

For me, Charlie Kirk was all about that. Whether you liked him or not, at least one can't deny that he stepped up wherever he went with speech, with arguments, and the willingness to listen and talk. He had some controversial viewpoints, but at the end of the day he welcomed the debate.

To be gunned down, on University grounds, while debating opponents peacefully and thereby exercising the holiest (in my book) of rights; the freedom of speech, is not only a cruel act towards a citizen, a father, a husband, but also a direct stab at democracy itself.

Whether someone from the right or the left gets killed like this, it is wrong. Pure and simply cruel, evil and wrong. And endlessly sad.

I pray for Kirk's wife and kids, and I also pray for the USA, that there will one day be an end to this senseless "de facto" Civil War.

If you want basic decency restored you’ll need people who believe in empathy. Kirk did not deserve to be killed for his words, no one does. But his rhetoric has stroked violence. He’s made misogynistic, Islamophobic and sometimes racist comments over and over again. Just the other day he connected Zohran Mamdani to 9/11 lol. For a free speech warrior he also has a history of shutting down people for their speech.
For a healthy democracy, you need people with different opinions. We all live in the gray area pretending everything is black and white. You want people who are willing to talk to you with an intention to understand you, not with the intention to beat you in debate. In the social media age we have lost that completely.
Also, agree with @s4tch you should post more

 

[campionesidd]

If you want basic decency restored you’ll need people who believe in empathy. Kirk did not deserve to be killed for his words, no one does. But his rhetoric has stroked violence. He’s made misogynistic, Islamophobic and sometimes racist comments over and over again. Just the other day he connected Zohran Mamdani to 9/11 lol. For a free speech warrior he also has a history of shutting down people for their speech.
For a healthy democracy, you need people with different opinions. We all live in the gray area pretending everything is black and white. You want people who are willing to talk to you with an intention to understand you, not with the intention to beat you in debate. In the social media age we have lost that completely.
Also, agree with @s4tch you should post more

Apparently according to some folks, it’s wrong to hate someone because of their views and actions, but it’s completely ok to hate someone for factors completely outside their control- like race, gender, nationality.

 

[Mokku]

Freedom of speech is the freedom to debate and the ability respectfully question any topic. It gives a platform for people with different ideas to explain themselves, ultimately to bring people together. Scum like Kirk want to divide the people and his killer is what he created, someone who loves guns and shares his extreme brand of thinking. He was poison. I never wished his death, I would've liked him to become what he hated or that he witnessed his product so that he would contemplate his life choices. Had he survived with paralysis then become the face of the uni-gun movement, that would've been his redemption.

 

[MAXCAP]

Coming back to this, I seriously doubt anyone here was happy to see this happen. The video of the shooting was brutal. But I wonder if you ever actually listened to his views or arguments. My black friends hate his guts, and I don’t blame them. And when it appears that the right is trying to run an Operation Gladio on everyone, when it’s obviously one of their own that killed him, you’re going to get some memes and jokes. His whole existence is everything that is wrong with the country. Just like his death. It’s almost like a meme in and of itself.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/


WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.
According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

starts life as a normal kid
> stumbles upon trans porn on reddit
> becomes addicted
> join discord where he meets actual troons
> gets brainwashed into shitlib ideology
> starts dating a troon
> slowly becomes a left wing extermist
> decides to commit a heinous act for clout.

Parents say he had turned to radical left wing ideology
- Childhood friends say he was left on pretty much everything
- Was dating a transgender (male to female)
- Was living with the transgender and involved with a local transgender terrorist network
- Had a shell casings saying “Notices bulge OwO” which is a joke about noticing a trans male to female’ “bulge”
- Had a shell casing saying “catch fascist”
- Multiple transgender accounts in the area posted the day before saying “something is going to happen at the Charlie Kirk event tmrw” with excitement
- Local Gov say Tyler was “deeply indoctrinated with left wing ideology”











This was a cold-blooded murder. When you have no arguments, you fear those who do. Verbal violence turns into physical violence. Charlie allowed anyone to debate him, because he was convinced of his ideas, and he was killed for it.

Jesus, Lincoln, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, John Lennon, Harvey Milk, JFK, and now Charlie Kirk.

 

[Oggy]

Are you sure Charlie belongs to that list?

Of course, it’s rhetorical question…

 

[MAXCAP]

Freedom of speech is the freedom to debate and the ability respectfully question any topic. It gives a platform for people with different ideas to explain themselves, ultimately to bring people together. Scum like Kirk want to divide the people and his killer is what he created, someone who loves guns and shares his extreme brand of thinking. He was poison. I never wished his death, I would've liked him to become what he hated or that he witnessed his product so that he would contemplate his life choices. Had he survived with paralysis then become the face of the uni-gun movement, that would've been his redemption.

Charlie welcomed anyone, no matter what ethnicity, beliefs, or background. Never turned anyone around.

Democrats continually and recklessly using the word Nazi and Fascist to anything that opposes their idea, doesn’t create division at all? Let alone project this onto Charlie and give this nut the idea he was a “threat” so he felt the need to end him.

Cowardice and Evil, this act was. Slain in front of his wife and children in a horrific fashion and some members, were happy that this happened.

Some members are so lost beyond…can’t reflect maybe cause they don’t wanna see what’s looking back at them.

 

[abstract]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/


WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.
According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

starts life as a normal kid
> stumbles upon trans porn on reddit
> becomes addicted
> join discord where he meets actual troons
> gets brainwashed into shitlib ideology
> starts dating a troon
> slowly becomes a left wing extermist
> decides to commit a heinous act for clout.

Parents say he had turned to radical left wing ideology
- Childhood friends say he was left on pretty much everything
- Was dating a transgender (male to female)
- Was living with the transgender and involved with a local transgender terrorist network
- Had a shell casings saying “Notices bulge OwO” which is a joke about noticing a trans male to female’ “bulge”
- Had a shell casing saying “catch fascist”
- Multiple transgender accounts in the area posted the day before saying “something is going to happen at the Charlie Kirk event tmrw” with excitement
- Local Gov say Tyler was “deeply indoctrinated with left wing ideology”











This was a cold-blooded murder. When you have no arguments, you fear those who do. Verbal violence turns into physical violence. Charlie allowed anyone to debate him, because he was convinced of his ideas, and he was killed for it.

Jesus, Lincoln, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, John Lennon, Harvey Milk, JFK, and now Charlie Kirk.

Zero evidence for anything you just stated

The article literally provides no evidence for the claim

Kirk was a billionaire astroturfed moron who debated kids who just finished high school.
How stupid you need to be to compare him to Jesus and the rest

The guy was a tiktoker and a podcaster who advocated for heinous things including violence.

 

[icemaη]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/


WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.
According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

starts life as a normal kid
> stumbles upon trans porn on reddit
> becomes addicted
> join discord where he meets actual troons
> gets brainwashed into shitlib ideology
> starts dating a troon
> slowly becomes a left wing extermist
> decides to commit a heinous act for clout.

Parents say he had turned to radical left wing ideology
- Childhood friends say he was left on pretty much everything
- Was dating a transgender (male to female)
- Was living with the transgender and involved with a local transgender terrorist network
- Had a shell casings saying “Notices bulge OwO” which is a joke about noticing a trans male to female’ “bulge”
- Had a shell casing saying “catch fascist”
- Multiple transgender accounts in the area posted the day before saying “something is going to happen at the Charlie Kirk event tmrw” with excitement
- Local Gov say Tyler was “deeply indoctrinated with left wing ideology”











This was a cold-blooded murder. When you have no arguments, you fear those who do. Verbal violence turns into physical violence. Charlie allowed anyone to debate him, because he was convinced of his ideas, and he was killed for it.

Jesus, Lincoln, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, John Lennon, Harvey Milk, JFK, and now Charlie Kirk.

Charlie would not be happy to be compared to that awful person

 

[Alen]

It's hilarious. Imagine being ANTI-fascist and it being a negative.

As s4tch said, it's clear why it came to this in the U.S., but could it also be due to a lack of education? Do they not learn about fascism and the opposition to it in school? Or if they do learn, is it followed by ideological discussion where fascism is clearly presented for what it was, rather than just see it as a thing from history class? Do they even know what the word anti means? Isn't it used all the time in English (anti-war, anti-slavery, anti-vaccine, anti-discrimination)? Imo they know what it means, it's just that the word antifascist has been rebranded politically.
Americans hear the word and instead of thinking "someone who fought against the greatest evil in the last 100 years", they think "radical leftist group i've been told to fear".

 

[Osman]

Jesus, Lincoln, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, John Lennon, Harvey Milk, JFK, and now Charlie Kirk.

 

[JuveJay]

Charlie welcomed anyone, no matter what ethnicity, beliefs, or background. Never turned anyone around.

.....

Some members are so lost beyond…can’t reflect maybe cause they don’t wanna see what’s looking back at them.

Come on bro. Seriously...

 

[swag]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/


WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.
According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

starts life as a normal kid
> stumbles upon trans porn on reddit
> becomes addicted
> join discord where he meets actual troons
> gets brainwashed into shitlib ideology
> starts dating a troon
> slowly becomes a left wing extermist
> decides to commit a heinous act for clout.

Parents say he had turned to radical left wing ideology
- Childhood friends say he was left on pretty much everything
- Was dating a transgender (male to female)
- Was living with the transgender and involved with a local transgender terrorist network
- Had a shell casings saying “Notices bulge OwO” which is a joke about noticing a trans male to female’ “bulge”
- Had a shell casing saying “catch fascist”
- Multiple transgender accounts in the area posted the day before saying “something is going to happen at the Charlie Kirk event tmrw” with excitement
- Local Gov say Tyler was “deeply indoctrinated with left wing ideology”











This was a cold-blooded murder. When you have no arguments, you fear those who do. Verbal violence turns into physical violence. Charlie allowed anyone to debate him, because he was convinced of his ideas, and he was killed for it.

Jesus, Lincoln, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, John Lennon, Harvey Milk, JFK, and now Charlie Kirk.

You're quoting this same New York Post though...


(I mean "Twiggs"??)

There's a lot of ass-backwards justification going on that really serves nobody other than for people trying to weasel out of the ethical corners they've painted themselves into. That's true whether they've celebrated Charie's death or the pardoning of J6ers. Both are f'ed up.

And now cancel culture is great again. Meanwhile, guns are flowing through the U.S. bloodstream and there is no limit of dead school children that will change things. None of these are good things, and things are so toxic that nobody dares try to remedy it for fear of looking like they're wearing the wrong team jersey, Cowards, all of them.

 

[Strickland]

The thing I’m surprised about is how many people here claim to know what that Kirk guy was talking about, to me this is the equivalent of claiming you've watched a lot of matches of this Danish league or French 2nd league talent. I first heard of his existence after the murder, did you guys really follow him and his debates or are you bullshitting us?

 

[Osman]

The thing I’m surprised about is how many people here claim to know what that Kirk guy was talking about, to me this is the equivalent of claiming you've watched a lot of matches of this Danish league or French 2nd league talent. I first heard of his existence after the murder, did you guys really follow him and his debates or are you bullshitting us?

He was actually pretty prominent right wing conservative media influencer. Not the allways viral hot takes super aggressive type to make major headlines. But enough in public eye to become fairly known for his obvious divisive and hateful agenda.

Has taken alot of Ls about things he has spouted that was disproven and he simply deleted evidence ever said lol. Also been alot of memes about his weird face over the years lol

 

[abstract]

The thing I’m surprised about is how many people here claim to know what that Kirk guy was talking about, to me this is the equivalent of claiming you've watched a lot of matches of this Danish league or French 2nd league talent. I first heard of his existence after the murder, did you guys really follow him and his debates or are you bullshitting us?

If you follow and have interest in US politics you've heard of him, he's probably the biggest political influencer on the right in the US with direct ties to the White House.
He does these short form ''debates'' with college students that go viral on tiktok and insta, you don't need to spend a lot of time to understand what his deal is.

He literally got assassinated during one of those debates.

 

[s4tch]

The thing I’m surprised about is how many people here claim to know what that Kirk guy was talking about, to me this is the equivalent of claiming you've watched a lot of matches of this Danish league or French 2nd league talent. I first heard of his existence after the murder, did you guys really follow him and his debates or are you bullshitting us?

if you follow american politics even loosely, you come across people like him. i'd never follow kirk, loomer, fuentes, shapiro and the likes but i saw enough of them already to know who and what they are. in addition to that, kirk's statements are all over the internet since his death, everything i said about him comes with receipts

check his jubilee debate or his debate with cambridge students on youtube, that's a good way to start. there's also a couple of yt compilations of him for a crash course. he was smart and talented but half-prepared and had an overly aggressive style

or you can just read maxcap's bottom line borrowed from the maga twitter narrative and believe that he is rightfully put next to lennon, jesus or mlk lol

 

[Bjerknes]

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/


WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.
According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

starts life as a normal kid
> stumbles upon trans porn on reddit
> becomes addicted
> join discord where he meets actual troons
> gets brainwashed into shitlib ideology
> starts dating a troon
> slowly becomes a left wing extermist
> decides to commit a heinous act for clout.

Parents say he had turned to radical left wing ideology
- Childhood friends say he was left on pretty much everything
- Was dating a transgender (male to female)
- Was living with the transgender and involved with a local transgender terrorist network
- Had a shell casings saying “Notices bulge OwO” which is a joke about noticing a trans male to female’ “bulge”
- Had a shell casing saying “catch fascist”
- Multiple transgender accounts in the area posted the day before saying “something is going to happen at the Charlie Kirk event tmrw” with excitement
- Local Gov say Tyler was “deeply indoctrinated with left wing ideology”











This was a cold-blooded murder. When you have no arguments, you fear those who do. Verbal violence turns into physical violence. Charlie allowed anyone to debate him, because he was convinced of his ideas, and he was killed for it.

Jesus, Lincoln, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, John Lennon, Harvey Milk, JFK, and now Charlie Kirk.

I don’t believe any of that for a second.

Next time some right wing dipshit gets shot they’ll probably say the shooter lived in the same town as a tranny.

Stupid fucking punks on the right trying to spark more violence based on nothing.

 

[swag]

Must be Charlie's message of love and acceptance.