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ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
You're deluded.

Rational means 'having or exercising the ability to reason' - Clinton definitely has that. And a president who is rational is always better than a president who is a lunatic.
It's not black and white. Trump is made out to be much more of a 'crazy' than anywhere near he actually is. How do you think he got so popular? I think you're the deluded one because you can't see any further than the mainstream leftist opinions. Clinton's """rationality""" comes from her acting for whatever her self serving interests are.
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
It's not black and white. Trump is made out to be much more of a 'crazy' than anywhere near he actually is. How do you think he got so popular? I think you're the deluded one because you can't see any further than the mainstream leftist opinions. Clinton's """rationality""" comes from her acting for whatever her self serving interests are.
No, dude. Initially I thought Trump was just shrewd and playing people. But several recent comments have made me realise he's just plain old insane. The ease with which he files for bankruptcy and then goes on to some other con job also makes me think he's evil or at the very least is completely amoral.

And you're right, Clinton looks out for Clinton. But she has every interest in maintaining a status quo, when society has been more than good to her. If I have to choose between keeping the status quo or taking my chances with Trump, I think it's a very easy call to make. You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to vote Trump.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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It's not black and white. Trump is made out to be much more of a 'crazy' than anywhere near he actually is. How do you think he got so popular? I think you're the deluded one because you can't see any further than the mainstream leftist opinions. Clinton's """rationality""" comes from her acting for whatever her self serving interests are.
You're crazy if you don't think Trump is crazy.

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Donald Trump's wife breaking immigration laws is not a big deal?


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Not at all imo. First of all, this happened a long time ago, before so many people became anti-immigration. Second of all, she's European which is somehow more acceptable.

Are we going to point out how candidate's ancestors got here illegally too?
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,816
It's not black and white. Trump is made out to be much more of a 'crazy' than anywhere near he actually is. How do you think he got so popular? I think you're the deluded one because you can't see any further than the mainstream leftist opinions. Clinton's """rationality""" comes from her acting for whatever her self serving interests are.
The man who reportedly asked a security expert thrice about wanting to use nuclear weapons isn't crazy?
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,886
Not at all imo. First of all, this happened a long time ago, before so many people became anti-immigration. Second of all, she's European which is somehow more acceptable.

Are we going to point out how candidate's ancestors got here illegally too?
more acceptable for who? Trump base? of course everything Trump does is acceptable for them. If he somehow puts a black man in chain and treats him like a slave his base will say "He is what he is" and "Whatever he does comes from his heart".
The point is, you can't win a national election with only your base. you will need a coalition. And to some people in your coalition it does matter that your wife has broken the very same immigration laws that you claim you will enforce. If nothing, media will create a storm out of this which Trump campaign has to respond in some politically correct way. You don't expect them to say "it was long time ago, who cares?" or "She's European. we were talking about Mexicans really", do you?
And it was 21 years ago which is very much in the living memory.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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No, dude. Initially I thought Trump was just shrewd and playing people. But several recent comments have made me realise he's just plain old insane. The ease with which he files for bankruptcy and then goes on to some other con job also makes me think he's evil or at the very least is completely amoral.

And you're right, Clinton looks out for Clinton. But she has every interest in maintaining a status quo, when society has been more than good to her. If I have to choose between keeping the status quo or taking my chances with Trump, I think it's a very easy call to make. You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to vote Trump.
:tup:
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,528
more acceptable for who? Trump base? of course everything Trump does is acceptable for them. If he somehow puts a black man in chain and treats him like a slave his base will say "He is what he is" and "Whatever he does comes from his heart".
The point is, you can't win a national election with only your base. you will need a coalition. And to some people in your coalition it does matter that your wife has broken the very same immigration laws that you claim you will enforce. If nothing, media will create a storm out of this which Trump campaign has to respond in some politically correct way. You don't expect them to say "it was long time ago, who cares?" or "She's European. we were talking about Mexicans really", do you?
And it was 21 years ago which is very much in the living memory.
If the media and people cared enough, the storm would've started already. That seems to me like it was just some clouds. And literally no coalition cares that his European wife came to USA illegally. She's not the demographic the Republicans want to keep out and the Democrats are not anti-immigration. He can just brush that question off or make a joke about how she's hot.
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,816
If the media and people cared enough, the storm would've started already. That seems to me like it was just some clouds. And literally no coalition cares that his European wife came to USA illegally. She's not the demographic the Republicans want to keep out and the Democrats are not anti-immigration. He can just brush that question off or make a joke about how she's hot.
It's an example of his hypocrisy. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,886
If the media and people cared enough, the storm would've started already. That seems to me like it was just some clouds. And literally no coalition cares that his European wife came to USA illegally. She's not the demographic the Republicans want to keep out and the Democrats are not anti-immigration. He can just brush that question off or make a joke about how she's hot.
- It's not because it's not proven and it's likely that it won't because immigration records are not public
- A huge chunk of electorate are neither Democrats nor Republicans. No candidate can win with a national election with Republican or Democrat vote only
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,016
:sergio:

You are pathetic.

That border fence Rand was suggesting is not that libertarian, right?
http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/rand-paul39s-anti-libertarian-fence/
Maybe Rand does not want to lead this movement.
It's hard to say. He's certainly not a carbon copy of his father. However, he is more libertarian than any other "Republican" candidates.

Your Rand Paul adoration is getting kind of creepy, Andy. Rand Paul is completely irrelevant right now. Forget about him.
Perhaps for the Presidential election, but he will hopefully play a major role in the Senate for years to come. You may not like that I always bring him up, but he's one of the very few bright spots we have and probably shares some of your views.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/o...the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html

Donald J. Trump is not only unqualified for the job, but he may well pose a threat to our national security.

Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.

These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.

The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump’s character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.

Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.

In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.

Mr. Trump has also undermined security with his call for barring Muslims from entering the country. This position, which so clearly contradicts the foundational values of our nation, plays into the hands of the jihadist narrative that our fight against terrorism is a war between religions.

In fact, many Muslim Americans play critical roles in protecting our country, including the man, whom I cannot identify, who ran the C.I.A.’s Counterterrorism Center for nearly a decade and who I believe is most responsible for keeping America safe since the Sept. 11 attacks.
And people will vote for this man. :lol:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
:sergio:

You are pathetic.



It's hard to say. He's certainly not a carbon copy of his father. However, he is more libertarian than any other "Republican" candidates.



Perhaps for the Presidential election, but he will hopefully play a major role in the Senate for years to come. You may not like that I always bring him up, but he's one of the very few bright spots we have and probably shares some of your views.
I don't mean to say you're necessarily wrong about him. It's just that his part has been played for now.
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
You're crazy if you don't think Trump is crazy.
He's not a total wacko like the mainstream media tries to make out. Eccentric? Probably but I find it funny people think he is some kind of Stalin, Hitler etc

No, dude. Initially I thought Trump was just shrewd and playing people. But several recent comments have made me realise he's just plain old insane. The ease with which he files for bankruptcy and then goes on to some other con job also makes me think he's evil or at the very least is completely amoral.

And you're right, Clinton looks out for Clinton. But she has every interest in maintaining a status quo, when society has been more than good to her. If I have to choose between keeping the status quo or taking my chances with Trump, I think it's a very easy call to make. You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to vote Trump.
I think voting for someone who should be in prison and that possibly gave away top secret information to serve their own interests is pretty fucking dumb.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
He's not a total wacko like the mainstream media tries to make out. Eccentric? Probably but I find it funny people think he is some kind of Stalin, Hitler etc



I think voting for someone who should be in prison and that possibly gave away top secret information to serve their own interests is pretty fucking dumb.
He's not Stalin. He's just a lunatic. Confirmed not only by his own words, but people around him.

In this case it's better to vote for the criminal. Tbh you sound like you're new to this whole thing. Don't be so naive, dude. And to be frank, I am 100% sure Trump has done things in his life that were criminal too.

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