'Murica! (108 Viewers)

[Seven]

I'm not speaking of due process for immigrants, I'm speaking of due process for everyone. Due process is not a selective thing. You either have it or you don't.


If you don't, and you are suddenly ok with not having it cuz a despot makes you think its ok cuz it only effects the "others" , then you gradually become a dictatorship and it effects everyone.

Litterally can pack up any average US citizen to a gulag and they will do it because you gave them the complicit ok by not speaking up when it happened to the "others".


Theres literally thousands of examples of this in modern human history. It's not complicated to get.

The irony is that he doesn't believe it will affect him, because of the 14th amendment.

Which is insane, because not only has Trump repeatedly demonstrated the law will never be respected, the 14th amendment is also about birthright citizenship and that's precisely one of the things Trump has explicitly stated he wants gone.

 

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[icemaη]

I'm not speaking of due process for immigrants, I'm speaking of due process for everyone. Due process is not a selective thing. You either have it or you don't.


If you don't, and you are suddenly ok with not having it cuz a despot makes you think its ok cuz it only effects the "others" , then you gradually become a dictatorship and it effects everyone.

Litterally can pack up any average US citizen to a gulag and they will do it because you gave them the complicit ok by not speaking up when it happened to the "others".


Theres literally thousands of examples of this in modern human history. It's not complicated to get.

First term was 2014 Modi's India, all I want is something fresh, the old ways don't work, he'll be excellent for the economy etc. etc. The second term is 2019 Modi's India when the mask fully comes off. It's incredible how quickly people will settle for the new status quo and act like it's the best we can do.

 

[icemaη]

The irony is that he doesn't believe it will affect him, because of the 14th amendment.

Which is insane, because not only has Trump repeatedly demonstrated the law will never be respected, the 14th amendment is also about birthright citizenship and that's precisely one of the things Trump has explicitly stated he wants gone.

You have beaten this bush long enough. I think it's time to accept defeat that you'll never be able to get this simple point across.

 

[Seven]

You have beaten this bush long enough. I think it's time to accept defeat that you'll never be able to get this simple point across.

I understand you feel that way.

However, sometimes it just takes a really long time to educate people.

And I can guarantee you @Nomuken will understand this within the coming year.

 

[icemaη]

I understand you feel that way.

However, sometimes it just takes a really long time to educate people.

And I can guarantee you @Nomuken will understand this within the coming year.

I admire your resilience and your patience. I just think some folks don’t get it until the leopard eats their face and by then it’s too late.

 

[Al Birdie]

I admire your resilience and your patience. I just think some folks don’t get it until the leopard eats their face and by then it’s too late.

I don't know about that. The leopard could be sent by Obama to trick people into medicare

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You don't seem to understand how fascism and racism operate.

Congrats on being considered a "good" Mexican I suppose.

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If you care about racism so much, why not oppose people who actually influence the life of others because of their race?

See, that's one of those things that I detest about American culture. It's all about words. If you call an Asian yellow trash, you're an awful person. If you deport someone, because he looks Mexican, no one really cares.

Racism and stereotypes at the group level are as natural to human beings as dancing or singing. Discrimination on the individual level is illegal as it should be, but stereotypes and racial preferences are integral to everybody's life. I have no problem with someone being racist as I believe everybody's racist.

 

[Seven]

I admire your resilience and your patience. I just think some folks don’t get it until the leopard eats their face and by then it’s too late.

This is very true, but I think he's fortunate in the sense that they will be coming for other people before they get to him.

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Racism and stereotypes at the group level are as natural to human beings as dancing or singing. Discrimination on the individual level is illegal as it should be, but stereotypes and racial preferences are integral to everybody's life. I have no problem with someone being racist as I believe everybody's racist.

In a way I get that. I think it's built into our psyche as a protection mechanism. It's just safer to be cautious around things or people we don't understand or who are different.

I just find it very odd that @Nomuken reacts so strongly when he's racially abused, but then votes Trump, when it's sort of obvious Trumps does not see people from other races as equal at all.

 

[s4tch]

...also you can't be talking to members of the forum in this fashion....

agreed, we should just draw a line somewhere

 

[Nomuken]

The irony is that he doesn't believe it will affect him, because of the 14th amendment.

Which is insane, because not only has Trump repeatedly demonstrated the law will never be respected, the 14th amendment is also about birthright citizenship and that's precisely one of the things Trump has explicitly stated he wants gone.

The “Maryland guy” was not born here, it fell under the alien enemies act. Which was in effect at the time. I am not driving the hot routes across the states that is utilized for human trafficking and drug runs which is synonymous and recognized by all Law Enforcement. Had previous warrants and restraining orders on me from my wife. Along with tattoos on my hand with clear symbolism to letters/numbers for a Salvadorian gang. I don’t have other occupants in the car with me from the same gang group. Birthright citizenship being stripped you’re taking about, is if you were born here by illegal parents, it no longer counts. You’re beating a dead horse.

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This is very true, but I think he's fortunate in the sense that they will be coming for other people before they get to him.

Why would they “get me”?

Have you ever lived or stayed here? You’re just simply watching and reading toxic crap from your media outlets. Whatever’s the hot topic, there’s more important issues going on.

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I just find it very odd that @Nomuken reacts so strongly when he's racially abused, but then votes Trump, when it's sort of obvious Trumps does not see people from other races as equal at all.

Your racism, is your ignorance.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I too believe that Nomuken is a hypocritical moron but the racism in this thread toward him ain't cool. It's not even tongue in cheek anymore.

 

[Seven]

I too believe that Nomuken is a hypocritical moron but the racism in this thread toward him ain't cool. It's not even tongue in cheek anymore.

Racism no longer exists in the US. If you vote for Donald Trump, you should be prepared to face the consequences. One of those is that, if you're not white, you open yourself up to racial abuse.

Just to remind you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

This is what @Nomuken voted for and my take is that he should be treated accordingly. He voted to be considered subhuman.

 

[s4tch]

hypocrisy, lack of accountability, double speak are very common in politics, but this is next level

 

[Bjerknes]

It's nice to see that all it takes is to get you past a degree of frustration to show your true racist colors. See , I think that's perfectly normal. What's not normal is being a hypocrite, also you can't be talking to members of the forum in this fashion. I know we go a long ways but this stops now. Put him on ignore or do whatever you need to do, just leave him alone.

You’re just like him, roid bro.

 

[Ronn]

“Birthright citizenship being stripped you’re taking about, is if you were born here by illegal parents

This is 100% false. There are many ways of having a legal immigration status in the US and that EO, if gets through the courts, limits the birthright citizenship to children of citizens and legal permanent residents. That Vivek guy and Usha Vance wouldn’t be citizens under this EO.

 

[s4tch]

"professors are the enemy", next chapter



despicable cunts

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You’re just like him, roid bro.

Thanks homes, I knew I could count on you

 

[Vlad]

"professors are the enemy", next chapter



despicable cunts

Why would Harvard be exempt from the tax in the first place? A university that generates billions of income from scholarships, attended mostly by privilleged rich folks... Or I am wrong and they are picking up people from the streets to provide free education for them?

 

[Bjerknes]

Thanks homes, I knew I could count on you

No, you’re just like him. Insanely delusional. You’re the guy who proposed that all of the Israel fluffing was some grand master plan to open America’s eyes to how Israel controls our government. That Trump was making these deals with Bibi and taking over Gaza as a means to show the world how controlled we are. Instead of, you know, just admitting you were wrong.

My hope is that, just like Nomuken, you get a taste of the Trump doctrine yourself. Because just like him, you’re not white and look like a gang member. Dipshits like you deserve to be deported, but I’m not the one that’s going to do it. You can thank Trump and the Nazis like Jack Poso for that, people you adore.

 

[s4tch]

Why would Harvard be exempt from the tax in the first place? A university that generates billions of income from scholarships, attended mostly by privilleged rich folks... Or I am wrong and they are picking up people from the streets to provide free education for them?

most american universities are non-profit organizations and so they are tax exempt. they also have scholarship programs for low income students, it's not true that only the rich and famous.

i hope it doesn't need to be explained why a civilized country needs higher education in general

it's just a revenge by trump. rumors say that barron was rejected by them, it might or might not be true, but one thing is sure, hungarian universities had very similar treatment by orbán during the last 15 years. either they broke and let fidesz people in, or they lost the state subsidies and some eventually left the country. russian playbook at full swing: either you teach according to our propaganda or you'll be punished. not surprising, still sad and infuriating

i'm also not sure whether trump can legally do that. but we've seen stranger things lately