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Bjerknes

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https://x.com/EricAbbenante/status/1877207054105886836

Nailed it :lol:

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pretty sure he lives on that, thrives in that which is also why he is your next POTUS
I stopped reading when he mentioned the governor. How is he supposed to stop 100mph winds? Some of the fires actually started in residential areas and spread because of the winds. If Trump was governor, how would he have prevented this event?

Let's see how long it'll take for him to politicize and threaten withholding disaster relief money to a state with more than 10% of the country's population because it's a blue state.
The MAGA cheerleaders are already proposing that the federal government shouldn't support any state that has DEI, whatever that means. Since they call every LGBTQ+ or colored person who holds a position of authority a "DEI hire", I think it's safe to assume they want to stop funding basically any state that has minorities in charge of anything. That's how I'm taking it.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I stopped reading when he mentioned the governor. How is he supposed to stop 100mph winds? Some of the fires actually started in residential areas and spread because of the winds. If Trump was governor, how would he have prevented this event?



The MAGA cheerleaders are already proposing that the federal government shouldn't support any state that has DEI, whatever that means. Since they call every LGBTQ+ or colored person who holds a position of authority a "DEI hire", I think it's safe to assume they want to stop funding basically any state that has minorities in charge of anything. That's how I'm taking it.
He predicted Hollywood liberals will turn conservative because their rebuild permits will be handled poorly by Dem-run city hall. Basically you have to feel really sorry for a bunch of rich folks not being able to rebuild their mansions fast enough. That’s what a true working class movement look like.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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He predicted Hollywood liberals will turn conservative because their rebuild permits will be handled poorly by Dem-run city hall. Basically you have to feel really sorry for a bunch of rich folks not being able to rebuild their mansions fast enough. That’s what a true working class movement look like.
James Woods is already conservative.
 

JuveJay

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@JuveJay Has everything to do with a man with great character. “You can be a character, doesn’t mean you have character “- Mr. Wolf
I'm not going to defend Kamala as she seems like a turd, but I find it weird micro-analysing every interaction for spin.

Trump must be a great guy with great character because an affable guy like Obama speaks to him in a friendly manner, ok, if it makes you feel good I guess?
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I stopped reading when he mentioned the governor. How is he supposed to stop 100mph winds? Some of the fires actually started in residential areas and spread because of the winds. If Trump was governor, how would he have prevented this event?.
One of the patterns I noted is that there's a huge correlation between MAGA, conservativism, and direct causality thinking. Systems thinking is an absolutely outlier and, perhaps in some ways, seems like a cop-out to deflect blame for "bureaucratic" reasons. It's also likely a contributor to climate change skepticism. It's also why the GOP in Congress prefers a "fire and forget" strategy when dealing with systemic challenges in a corrupt FBI or Harvard University administration.

What I don't get is what is the so-called "Deep State" if not a systemic challenge? This is what doesn't add up to me.

Otherwise you tend to see hierarchical thinking that only assigns blame to a single person for a confluence of factors that happened.

In a complex system, like a major weather or climate pattern, complexity threatens the ability to apply simplistic thinking of "x happened because of y", where y is singular and direct. Multiple factors are bad, Indirect influence is even worse.

And yet our world today is being decided more and more by systemic factors where the interrelationships between the actors matter more than the actors themselves: climate, globalization, markets, economics, communication links, etc. Climate change doesn't make sense if we can't hold an individual accountable for it (though some are trying with Gavin Newsom). Joe Biden caused inflation.

Simple lines of direct causality thinking seem to make the world easier to comprehend and less scary. The rule being if you can't explain it to a two-year-old, a lot of conservatives aren't going to believe it.

I'm half thinking these days that the approach to worldviews of direct causality vs indirect systems thinking is a bigger divider in political polarization these days than any red or blue crap.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I stopped reading when he mentioned the governor. How is he supposed to stop 100mph winds? Some of the fires actually started in residential areas and spread because of the winds. If Trump was governor, how would he have prevented this event?
The sheer callousness of exploiting such a tragedy for political gain never ceases to amaze me.

There's only one thing that maybe could have prevented this. We all know what it is. And we know Trump most definitely does not want it.

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One of the patterns I noted is that there's a huge correlation between MAGA, conservativism, and direct causality thinking. Systems thinking is an absolutely outlier and, perhaps in some ways, seems like a cop-out to deflect blame for "bureaucratic" reasons. It's also likely a contributor to climate change skepticism. It's also why the GOP in Congress prefers a "fire and forget" strategy when dealing with systemic challenges in a corrupt FBI or Harvard University administration.

What I don't get is what is the so-called "Deep State" if not a systemic challenge? This is what doesn't add up to me.

Otherwise you tend to see hierarchical thinking that only assigns blame to a single person for a confluence of factors that happened.

In a complex system, like a major weather or climate pattern, complexity threatens the ability to apply simplistic thinking of "x happened because of y", where y is singular and direct. Multiple factors are bad, Indirect influence is even worse.

And yet our world today is being decided more and more by systemic factors where the interrelationships between the actors matter more than the actors themselves: climate, globalization, markets, economics, communication links, etc. Climate change doesn't make sense if we can't hold an individual accountable for it (though some are trying with Gavin Newsom). Joe Biden caused inflation.

Simple lines of direct causality thinking seem to make the world easier to comprehend and less scary. The rule being if you can't explain it to a two-year-old, a lot of conservatives aren't going to believe it.

I'm half thinking these days that the approach to worldviews of direct causality vs indirect systems thinking is a bigger divider in political polarization these days than any red or blue crap.
The part in bold is the most important bit.

As human beings we like stories. They make us understand the world. With stories we feel like we have a grasp on events. I don't even think that's a bad thing, we need a sense of security. We cannot try to have a deep understanding of every single thing at every single minute. Sometimes we just need to live our lives, get through our days.

But we also need education and science to resist the urge and temptation to explain the world through this type of thinking alone. As tough as that may seem, the reality is that most things in life are infinitely complex and intertwined. And until we see the world for what it is, we will not be able to tackle the challenges of our time.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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The sheer callousness of exploiting such a tragedy for political gain never ceases to amaze me.

There's only one thing that maybe could have prevented this. We all know what it is. And we know Trump most definitely does not want it.
What I don't get is Trump is about to take four years of office and is essentially setting up a future of "Trump's America :rolleyes2:" responses for everything that goes wrong.

It would be funny, but it would be completely wrong though.

The part in bold is the most important bit.

As human beings we like stories. They make us understand the world. With stories we feel like we have a grasp on events. I don't even think that's a bad thing, we need a sense of security. We cannot try to have a deep understanding of every single thing at every single minute. Sometimes we just need to live our lives, get through our days.

But we also need education and science to resist the urge and temptation to explain the world through this type of thinking alone. As tough as that may seem, the reality is that most things in life are infinitely complex and intertwined. And until we see the world for what it is, we will not be able to tackle the challenges of our time.
With direct causality there is a sort of lazy, wishful thinking about it: "If we find and eliminate the bad guy, everything will be roses!"

So we topple dictators like Saddam Hussein, or Bashar al-Assad, and don't consider what would happen in his power vacuum.

We let politicians strut at a hearing and encourage the beheading of a department like the FBI or the Pentagon or whatnot. But while they're posing for photo ops about how they said mean things and fired a guy in their best emulation of The Apprentice TV show, they move on and leave the same systemic problems in place with a new inept leader. Same circus, different clown. Hands washed of any dirty work of addressing the system.

But the whole "Trump will fix it" belies the belief: that the individual can turn over all the complexity in the world with a daddy figure who you can trust to take care of you. He will make all the scary monsters go away.

It does make a good bedtime story for a four-year-old. But sadly we know how reality differs from these stories we allow ourselves to believe.
 

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