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Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,919
saw a few snippets of some jd vance interviews yesterday and he said that if they'd win the election their first regulatory action would be "drill baby drill"

(he said that they could and should produce 2-3 times the amount of natural gas they're producing today. he probably doesn't know that natural gas prices are at a very low point already because of the overproduction...)
The only thing he is interested in drilling is his couch. Weird fuck that he is.
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
The only thing he is interested in drilling is his couch. Weird fuck that he is.
It's not weird.

Anyone would be stressed during a campaign. Once the election is over, that tension will dissipate and Vance will come down. He'll just want to relax with a nice dinner and a glass of wine. Then he'll fuck his couch for three minutes straight telling her what a nasty little chaise she is. Maybe the wife watches, maybe she doesn't. Maybe she films it, maybe she doesn't. Maybe they send over the video to their extended family to show Vance's prowess, maybe they don't. Either way, dude just wants to relax. It's not weird.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,919
It's not weird.

Anyone would be stressed during a campaign. Once the election is over, that tension will dissipate and Vance will come down. He'll just want to relax with a nice dinner and a glass of wine. Then he'll fuck his couch for three minutes straight telling her what a nasty little chaise she is. Maybe the wife watches, maybe she doesn't. Maybe she films it, maybe she doesn't. Maybe they send over the video to their extended family to show Vance's prowess, maybe they don't. Either way, dude just wants to relax. It's not weird.
No. They’re all weird. MAGA Republicans and all of their ilk are complete weirdos. And they don’t like when we point this out.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,778
I am a Republican.

A proud one. Since 1988, when I could vote for yhe first time.

This shit right here? This shit since 2016?

Nah. This ain't it. Not even close.

The ghosts of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, and Raegan need to bitch slap these clowns into oblivion.

Which is what will.most likely happen the day after the election.

I will be so glad when this cesspool of miscreants and sycophants are gone. And they can take their racist, misogynistic, homophonic, couch fucking followers with them.
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Jun 16, 2020
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saw a few snippets of some jd vance interviews yesterday and he said that if they'd win the election their first regulatory action would be "drill baby drill"

(he said that they could and should produce 2-3 times the amount of natural gas they're producing today. he probably doesn't know that natural gas prices are at a very low point already because of the overproduction...)
Yesterday I listened to his interview on the Shawn Ryan Show, honestly he seemed like a normal dude, was expecting someone way more extreme. Nothing I could point of that really was of limits
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,522
Yesterday I listened to his interview on the Shawn Ryan Show, honestly he seemed like a normal dude, was expecting someone way more extreme. Nothing I could point of that really was of limits
he can string a few sentences together

but he's embarrassingly unprepared for a guy aiming for the 2nd most important office. and looking at his career he's just like your typical eastern european politician: opportunist and spineless. just like orbán starter as a liberal and became a "conservative", vance used to shit at trump. now look at him

shawn ryan himself isn't too challenging of a host for maga people either
 

acmilan

Plusvalenza Akbar
Nov 8, 2005
10,722
I am a Republican.

A proud one. Since 1988, when I could vote for yhe first time.

This shit right here? This shit since 2016?

Nah. This ain't it. Not even close.

The ghosts of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, and Raegan need to bitch slap these clowns into oblivion.

Which is what will.most likely happen the day after the election.

I will be so glad when this cesspool of miscreants and sycophants are gone. And they can take their racist, misogynistic, homophonic, couch fucking followers with them.
I am sorry, Serge, but that idyllic marriage of pseudo-patriotism and closet racism/fascism the republican party was before Trump came along is highly, highly unlikely to ever go back to what it used to be. Too much paste is out of the tube, too much of the genie is out of the bottle now. For decades the RP managed to keep the extreme electorat they picked up during the realignment of the 60s (Southern Strategy) under wraps aka in the closet. The party leaders made a strategic mistake to rile them up, however, and then Trump swooped in showed these extreme elements of the electorate that it was perfectly OK to come out in the open and not hide anymore. That's the paste that's out of the tube ...

Can you think of what/who/why pushed the republican leadership to rile up the extreme portion of the troops, so to speak, basically prepping them up for Trump to come in and conquer their minds with his demagoguery? It was something that happened in the years before Trump's takeover of the RP, something without which, I would argue, maybe none of the clusterfuckery we are seeing now would have happened in the first place.

Anyways, a brilliant mind once said:
“We are, whether we like it or not, the party of lower-income, lower-education white people, and I have been saying for a long time that we need to offer those people SOMETHING (and hell, maybe even expand our appeal to working-class black people in the process) or a demagogue would. We are now at that point. Trump is the fruit of the party’s collective neglect.”

That brilliant mind predicted all of this that is unfolding and has been unfolding in American politics for the better part of the past decade. Anybody familiar who comes to mind?
Funny thing is, this same brilliant mind has positioned himself to take over from Mr. Orange once he gets popped and be the new face of the MAGA movement. And just like Trump, he doesn't believe a single word he is saying.

Anyways, my best guess is this whole thing ends with a 3-party system and a brand new phase of American political life, a new political realignment, of sorts, not unlike the one from the 1960s, which started this process, in the first place.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,904
No. They’re all weird. MAGA Republicans and all of their ilk are complete weirdos. And they don’t like when we point this out.
The real "MAGA" people are truly cultists. Whenever you see these people, they're part of the Murican spectrum of poorly educated, angry, lower income people who think the Democrats have stolen their livelihood. Whenever you see someone wearing a MAGA hat, chances are they just hate the world. Those in my area are always white, generally fat, ugly people. Just like Catturd2. They wouldn't have any futures regardless of who was in office.

Then you have upper middle class people who make good money, don't want a lot of regulations, perhaps own their own business, and simply want a good economy. They probably won't tell you they're MAGA because they don't want to associate themselves with the losers above, but they might still vote for Trump because the Dems have truly horrible economic policies. They really suck in that regard.

Lastly, some rich elite people will definitely vote Trump since he will obviously lower taxes and push asset values higher by whatever means necessary. Inflation is actually a good thing for them. A deflationary environment is never good for people who own all the assets, so that makes sense to me why some would vote for Trump.

If you're gay or a woman, I have no idea why you would vote for him and his supporters. They hate you and want to take your rights away. The poor fat ones that is.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,778
The real "MAGA" people are truly cultists. Whenever you see these people, they're part of the Murican spectrum of poorly educated, angry, lower income people who think the Democrats have stolen their livelihood. Whenever you see someone wearing a MAGA hat, chances are they just hate the world. Those in my area are always white, generally fat, ugly people. Just like Catturd2. They wouldn't have any futures regardless of who was in office.

Then you have upper middle class people who make good money, don't want a lot of regulations, perhaps own their own business, and simply want a good economy. They probably won't tell you they're MAGA because they don't want to associate themselves with the losers above, but they might still vote for Trump because the Dems have truly horrible economic policies. They really suck in that regard.

Lastly, some rich elite people will definitely vote Trump since he will obviously lower taxes and push asset values higher by whatever means necessary. Inflation is actually a good thing for them. A deflationary environment is never good for people who own all the assets, so that makes sense to me why some would vote for Trump.

If you're gay or a woman, I have no idea why you would vote for him and his supporters. They hate you and want to take your rights away. The poor fat ones that is.
This one hits home. One of my cousins has no degree, works multiple low paying jobs, and blames Biden for being in debt (leases a brand new car, filed taxes improperly, has a huge ass pitbull, no investments, always spent big on designer brands and clubbing in younger years, etc). You nailed it there, but I would also include undiagnosed mental illness in that bracket.

There's also another set, working-middle class blue collar government workers. REALLY worried about things like universal healthcare (WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT!?!??!) and government spending, but not when big daddy government is handing them secure and guaranteed paychecks every week while they pay into a pension of course.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
The real "MAGA" people are truly cultists. Whenever you see these people, they're part of the Murican spectrum of poorly educated, angry, lower income people who think the Democrats have stolen their livelihood. Whenever you see someone wearing a MAGA hat, chances are they just hate the world. Those in my area are always white, generally fat, ugly people. Just like Catturd2. They wouldn't have any futures regardless of who was in office.

Then you have upper middle class people who make good money, don't want a lot of regulations, perhaps own their own business, and simply want a good economy. They probably won't tell you they're MAGA because they don't want to associate themselves with the losers above, but they might still vote for Trump because the Dems have truly horrible economic policies. They really suck in that regard.

Lastly, some rich elite people will definitely vote Trump since he will obviously lower taxes and push asset values higher by whatever means necessary. Inflation is actually a good thing for them. A deflationary environment is never good for people who own all the assets, so that makes sense to me why some would vote for Trump.

If you're gay or a woman, I have no idea why you would vote for him and his supporters. They hate you and want to take your rights away. The poor fat ones that is.
And that’s why y’all need a third party. A centre of the spectrum party. There’s a middle ground here with both sensible and smart economic policy and not batshit crazy social policy.

I don’t think it is very likely, as Trump is pretty much guaranteed to get 45%+ of the vote, but my hope would be MAGA gets absolutely slaughtered in this election and the GOP splinters into two separate parties. A far right MAGA party that takes all the cultists along for the ride. And a centrist party of moderate republicans that will also pull the moderate democrats away too.

That would be the ideal, though I doubt it happens.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,904
And that’s why y’all need a third party. A centre of the spectrum party. There’s a middle ground here with both sensible and smart economic policy and not batshit crazy social policy.

I don’t think it is very likely, as Trump is pretty much guaranteed to get 45%+ of the vote, but my hope would be MAGA gets absolutely slaughtered in this election and the GOP splinters into two separate parties. A far right MAGA party that takes all the cultists along for the ride. And a centrist party of moderate republicans that will also pull the moderate democrats away too.

That would be the ideal, though I doubt it happens.
I was hoping that when Trump first emerged it would turn into a viable, sensible third party focused on economics and smart foreign policy. Unfortunately it turned into the party of the degenerates, so as much as I dislike Hillary, she was correct about that. A big shame.

Fuck Elon as well for making it even worse and giving these people a platform. I will never, ever buy a Tesla or any of his other stupid products.
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
shawn ryan himself isn't too challenging of a host for maga people either
Does he has to be that though? I think that’s why long format podcasts/interviews win over what the traditional media always did before.

No hostility, no agenda, just a long conversation where people are able to explain their experiences and ideas without it getting cut, edited or falsely framed afterwards.

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This one hits home. One of my cousins has no degree, works multiple low paying jobs, and blames Biden for being in debt (leases a brand new car, filed taxes improperly, has a huge ass pitbull, no investments, always spent big on designer brands and clubbing in younger years, etc). You nailed it there, but I would also include undiagnosed mental illness in that bracket.
I see a lot of blaming here and it reminds me of the situation here where the PVV (Wilders party) became the biggest party over night last November. A controversial and many times even racist party became the biggest in a country that has traditionally been very tolerant in every sense of the word.

So what does that mean right, why did so many people vote for such a extreme party?

The truth here is that they (the voters) definitely did not became fascist over night, but due to the failing of all the other parties the years prior, the radical option suddenly became the most logical option for many.

So Wilders became popular because the rest failed, not because he was better.

Scanning the messages here over the last days I miss the mea culpa guys. Trump being big is partially because democrats fucked things up, not because everyone who votes on him is a absolute idiot or some trash human being.

The migration problem, the debacle in Afghanistan, the trans madness in some cases, not being open about Biden’s mental health, you can fill the rest in you guys live there.
 
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AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,778
I see a lot of blaming here and it reminds me of the situation here where the PVV (Wilders party) became the biggest party over night last November. A controversial and many times even racist party became the biggest in a country that has traditionally been very tolerant in every sense of the word.

So what does that mean right, why did so many people vote for such a extreme party?

The truth here is that they (the voters) definitely did not became fascist over night, but due to the failing of all the other parties the years prior, the radical option suddenly became the most logical option for many.

So Wilders became popular because the rest failed, not because he was better.

Scanning the messages here over the last days I miss the mea culpa guys. Trump being big is partially because democrats fucked things up, not because everyone who votes on him is a absolute idiot or some trash human being.

The migration problem, the debacle in Afghanistan, the trans madness in some cases, not being open about Biden’s mental health, you can fill the rest in you guys live there.
I don't see blame, and no one said ALL voters, but there are definitely large subgroups of voters that fit into each of those categories that @Bjerknes outlined. It's just an observation. Trust me, there are equivalents for Democrats as well.

I think you're also attempting to view our election through a Dutch lens, but it doesn't fully work because of how different our elections are. Just as an example, you mentioned an "extreme party," but there really are only two here that are seen as viable. The parties that failed everyone...are the same parties that are in every election. Even for Trump to win the nomination, everyone in the background is still the same. Mitch McConnell has been a senator since 1985, now all of a sudden I'm to believe that people see him as "the good guys" out for the common man because they put their weight behind Trump after he won? It's all a show, and that makes me hate them even more. Trump insulted Cruz during the race multiple times in 2016, he took shots at his WIFE. Then after the election, it's all smiles and friendship, spineless bitch. If Trump loses, watch how they turn on him again. You don't have this problem because you had what, 15 parties in your last election? People refuse to vote third party because it's "throwing away your vote," a phrase that I LOATHE. Then of course you get the people that treat it as they would supporting a sports team, but that's another issue.

Those things you mentioned all really came to the forefront AFTER 2016 though, so they weren't really in play back then. The thing to realize here is that this portion of the Republican party was ALWAYS there. In fact, it was even bred and grown. You could have watched conservative news outlets like Fox News long before 2016 and see the similarities to today's rhetoric. But imo it seems like it went beyond what the party anticipated and instead of them controlling the narrative, the narrative now controls them through whoever steps up to do so. @acmilan's post here touches on it a bit.

Sorry if this isn't fully coherent but I was kinda rushing through it.
 

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