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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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That's true.

But the fact remains Vance's moral compass seems to change all the time. And he's running with Trump, who is amoral and just in it for personal gain.
I mean he is a politician after all. But there's also something to be said about people having the ability to recognize and change the fault in their ways. I'm not defending vance, but he's certainly not the only never trumper to change his mind
Personally, the guy i really wanted to run is Thomas Massie. I'm really interested to see how he'd fare at that level.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I mean he is a politician after all. But there's also something to be said about people having the ability to recognize and change the fault in their ways. I'm not defending vance, but he's certainly not the only never trumper to change his mind
Personally, the guy i really wanted to run is Thomas Massie. I'm really interested to see how he'd fare at that level.
I agree completely.

It's possible for people to genuinely change their opinion on something and I don't think that should be held against them. Without people changing their minds, we'd still live in the Stone Age.

It's just that Vance's change of mind does not seem sincere. Not even because of his 'new' opinion, but because he never really believed in whatever he was saying before.

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swag

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Fair enough, guess the price to be under the microscope constantly is a little too high, so you we get the unhinged, the autistic, and the retarded running.
The filter is set for that.

Much like the filter in Russia is set to squeeze out someone like a Putin as the only viable option between the State Council's and public's butt cheeks.

Pretty sure I have a similar one too.


I've never heard this phrase before but I love it, thank you :lol:

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You're welcome. "Bitch eating crackers" is pretty much the news cycle now.

I mean he is a politician after all. But there's also something to be said about people having the ability to recognize and change the fault in their ways. I'm not defending vance, but he's certainly not the only never trumper to change his mind
Personally, the guy i really wanted to run is Thomas Massie. I'm really interested to see how he'd fare at that level.
My Vance creep issue goes back to last year when it dawned on me that the guy always seemed to be arriving at the Senate after attending a My Chemical Romance show.

It's easy to bust on his eyeliner now. But it hit me almost a year before I heard anyone else acknowledge what I was seeing. A Sam Brinton, for example, is an easy and obvious target. But for Vance, that's a lot more insidious and sinister in my lizard brain.

But 100% that people should be able to change their minds, see a broader picture, fit a new model, talk to others who convince them of new views. That should be doing your job.

Hence why I am completely annoyed by the whole "flip-flop" argument that gets used a lot. Biden flipped on gay marriage, but he's also 81 which is a long time to do a lot of flipping (thought I think his flip was 10 years). Trump used to be a liberal writing checks to Obama and Kamala. People should be allowed to change.

I agree completely.

It's possible for people to genuinely change their opinion on something and I don't think that should be held against them. Without people changing their minds, we'd still live in the Stone Age.

It's just that Vance's change of mind does not seem sincere. Not even because of his 'new' opinion, but because he never really believed in whatever he was saying before.

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For Vance, politics is politics. It's a survival strategy to strut your opposition to a bill with your D.C. cronies while going back to your home state and celebrating the money you've brought back for something you voted against.

Vance seems to be following the George Wallace playbook. You do what it takes to get ahead in your profession and expand your influence for what you intend to achieve.
 

GordoDeCentral

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I agree completely.

It's possible for people to genuinely change their opinion on something and I don't think that should be held against them. Without people changing their minds, we'd still live in the Stone Age.

It's just that Vance's change of mind does not seem sincere. Not even because of his 'new' opinion, but because he never really believed in whatever he was saying before.

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Who the hell knows what these people believe, sausage making.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Who the hell knows what these people believe, sausage making.
That's the thing, it doesn't really matter to me what a politician believes. I just assume they are insincere. If they're getting the results I want, that's fine by me.

But Trump and Vance and the Republican party by extension have portrayed themselves as defender of morals. Which is weird, because none of them seem to be particularly bothered by actual moral issues.

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Seven

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The filter is set for that.

Much like the filter in Russia is set to squeeze out someone like a Putin as the only viable option between the State Council's and public's butt cheeks.



You're welcome. "Bitch eating crackers" is pretty much the news cycle now.



My Vance creep issue goes back to last year when it dawned on me that the guy always seemed to be arriving at the Senate after attending a My Chemical Romance show.

It's easy to bust on his eyeliner now. But it hit me almost a year before I heard anyone else acknowledge what I was seeing. A Sam Brinton, for example, is an easy and obvious target. But for Vance, that's a lot more insidious and sinister in my lizard brain.

But 100% that people should be able to change their minds, see a broader picture, fit a new model, talk to others who convince them of new views. That should be doing your job.

Hence why I am completely annoyed by the whole "flip-flop" argument that gets used a lot. Biden flipped on gay marriage, but he's also 81 which is a long time to do a lot of flipping (thought I think his flip was 10 years). Trump used to be a liberal writing checks to Obama and Kamala. People should be allowed to change.



For Vance, politics is politics. It's a survival strategy to strut your opposition to a bill with your D.C. cronies while going back to your home state and celebrating the money you've brought back for something you voted against.

Vance seems to be following the George Wallace playbook. You do what it takes to get ahead in your profession and expand your influence for what you intend to achieve.
But truthfully he's mostly where he is today because he's a sycophant.

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swag

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But truthfully he's mostly where he is today because he's a sycophant.

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It's a strategy that works to get ahead. Trump respects sycophants more than experience.

Which is why he's surrounded by pillow pushers and filled his cabinet with odd lots often with little experience in the sectors represented by their departments: a climate denier to head the EPA, a pro wrestler as the head of the Small Business Association. A cabinet that Trump had to burn through and fire most of within their first two years of office.

Talk about DEI = Didn't Earn It. His cabinet was a rejection of the meritocracy culture being bandied about among conservatives now.
 
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icemaη

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It's a strategy that works to get ahead. Trump respects sycophants more than experience.

Which is why he's surrounded by pillow pushers and filled his cabinet with odd lots often with little experience in the sectors represented by their departments: a climate denier to head the EPA, a pro wrestler as the head of the Small Business Association. A cabinet that Trump had to burn through and fire most of within their first two years of office.

Talk about DEI = Didn't Earn It. His cabinet was a rejection of the meritocracy culture being bandied about among conservatives now.
He probably hires them so that he can do the thing he loves the most. Firing people.
 

Seven

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It's a strategy that works to get ahead. Trump respects sycophants more than experience.

Which is why he's surrounded by pillow pushers and filled his cabinet with odd lots often with little experience in the sectors represented by their departments: a climate denier to head the EPA, a pro wrestler as the head of the Small Business Association. A cabinet that Trump had to burn through and fire most of within their first two years of office.

Talk about DEI = Didn't Earn It. His cabinet was a rejection of the meritocracy culture being bandied about among conservatives now.
What I meant is that it worked for Vance to get in the position he's in.

But as a running mate you're scrutinized and potential voters want to know what your achievements are and what you stand for. At that point being a sycophant is not a good look. From him flip flopping on Trump to being Thiel's personal slave, the optics are all wrong.

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swag

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But Trump was right about VPs: they don’t matter.

Vance is just Trump’s bottom b*tch.

People can talk all they want about how Kamala was the co-architect on all of Biden’s policies, but somehow Mike Pence never received the same credit nor culpability for the Trump administration.
 

Seven

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But Trump was right about VPs: they don’t matter.

Vance is just Trump’s bottom b*tch.

People can talk all they want about how Kamala was the co-architect on all of Biden’s policies, but somehow Mike Pence never received the same credit nor culpability for the Trump administration.
They don't.

Or except after the vote. And people can think about Pence what they want, but he did have some backbone when it mattered most.

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icemaη

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always funny how military people generally tend to support him and he shits on them over and over. Dude dodged the draft, called them idiots, etc and they still support him. Lmao.
I can imagine his advisors trying hard to make sure he doesn't go anywhere near a microphone and crying in the corner because they failed. His lack of experience being a politician really shows.
 

Ronn

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I can imagine his advisors trying hard to make sure he doesn't go anywhere near a microphone and crying in the corner because they failed. His lack of experience being a politician really shows.
An experienced politician would say things differently in private and public. But a normal person would not even say things like that in private, let alone public. Who cares whether a CMH Recipient is beautiful or not? It doesn’t even cross my mind for a second.
Also, he’s talking about Miriam Adelson who’s 78 years old. What’s beauty at that age?
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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always funny how military people generally tend to support him and he shits on them over and over. Dude dodged the draft, called them idiots, etc and they still support him. Lmao.
I’ll tell you why since I’m in the military

he didn’t send us to war. Shouldn’t be that complicated but here we are. Not one of us that I know in uniform across ALL branches thinks/feels like he “shits on us over and over”. pretty much anything in your post about dodging draft - we don’t care. It’s not for everyone.
 

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