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[ALC]

Didn't the taller guy tell him "if you don't use that gun i'm going to take it from you and fucking kill you with it?"

Sounds like self defense to me.

so now all you need to do is bring a gun with you anywhere and anytime you feel threatened you shoot? Words can get heated, especially when it comes to child custody, no need to bring a gun to every situation, this country is too crazy with them. What the fuck is the guy bringing it out for anyways? From what I can read, that was none of his business

 

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[X Æ A-12]

so now all you need to do is bring a gun with you anywhere and anytime you feel threatened you shoot? Words can get heated, especially when it comes to child custody, no need to bring a gun to every situation, this country is too crazy with them. What the fuck is the guy bringing it out for anyways? From what I can read, that was none of his business

Bring it anywhere? isn't he on his own property?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Didn't the taller guy tell him "if you don't use that gun i'm going to take it from you and fucking kill you with it?"

Sounds like self defense to me.

Not according to Texas law, he going to jail imo

 

[ALC]

Bring it anywhere? isn't he on his own property?

he introduces it to the situation. The guy is there to pick up his kid as court appointed, he’s not some nobody showing up and harassing him.

 

[Enron]

Not according to Texas law, he going to jail imo

I could see him getting off, he hasn’t been charged yet either

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I could see him getting off, he hasn’t been charged yet either

Both his mom and wife are judges, with media attention i think he will

 

[Enron]

Both his mom and wife are judges, with media attention i think he will

I think he’s claiming castle doctrine as well, and he clearly meets 3 out of 4 criteria in Texas to claim self defense. The only one he won’t be able to clearly prove is number three since the altercation didn’t get physical until the fire arm was brought out.

Texas law provides for a justifiable defense at trial when using deadly force if the person claiming self defense:

1. Reasonably believed the deadly force was immediately necessary;
2. Had a legal right to be on the property;
3. Did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and
4. Was not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force was used

 

[IliveForJuve]

Didn't the fucker smile after shooting him? The shorter guy was looking for any opportunities to off the ex husband and he finally got it.

 

[Enron]

Didn't the fucker smile after shooting him? The shorter guy was looking for any opportunities to off the ex husband and he finally got it.

yeah, he has a real sinister vibe the whole time

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think he’s claiming castle doctrine as well, and he clearly meets 3 out of 4 criteria in Texas to claim self defense. The only one he won’t be able to clearly prove is number three since the altercation didn’t get physical until the fire arm was brought out.

Texas law provides for a justifiable defense at trial when using deadly force if the person claiming self defense:

1. Reasonably believed the deadly force was immediately necessary;
2. Had a legal right to be on the property;
3. Did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and
4. Was not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force was used

Actually only 2 is undeniable, all of the rest is up for debate imo guy was not being belligerent besides screaming and at no point did he look to be physically threatening. Furthermore, his wife was illegally keeping him from seeing his son. Women are evil.

 

[Enron]

Actually only 2 is undeniable, all of the rest is up for debate imo guy was not being belligerent besides screaming and at no point did he look to be physically threatening. Furthermore, his wife was illegally keeping him from seeing his son. Women are evil.

the alive guy willl say he was scared of the tall dead guy and the tall dead guy won’t be able to refute. I hope justice isn’t served but I can easily see it going in the favor of the defense. Hopefully the ex wife looses all custody of the kid.

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[GordoDeCentral]

the alive guy willl say he was scared of the tall dead guy and the tall dead guy won’t be able to refute. I hope justice isn’t served but I can easily see it going in the favor of the defense. Hopefully the ex wife looses all custody of the kid.

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Doubt they can convince a jury tbh guy didn't seem menacing besides the understandable frustration for being jerked around, let's wait and see.

 

[IliveForJuve]

1) Taller guy has a legitimate reason to be there and there was also no indication he was going to damage thr shorter guy's property.
2) Taller guy didn't seem threatening until the shorter guy brought out his gun. However, he did reach for shorter guy's gun even if he barely touched it although in the end he only actually pushed the other guy away. Of course shorter guy will claim he was scared for his life and that's why he shot.
3) Taller guy was standing still about ten feet away with no signs of approaching the shorter guy after the small physical altercation. Shorter dude didn't hesitate to shoot even though he was no longer in immediate danger.

 

[X Æ A-12]

3) Taller guy was standing still about ten feet away with no signs of approaching the shorter guy after the small physical altercation. Shorter dude didn't hesitate to shoot even though he was no longer in immediate danger.

Is that clear from the video? From what i recall you can't really see the actual shooting but yea if there was distance between them and taller dude was not actively "closing the space" then it probably is murder in any state.

Castle doctrine doesn't grant you the right to kill anyone on your property.

Also, the video I saw does not show the beginning of the incident. Probably important to see if there was provocation and when the firearm is first introduced

 

[swag]

Can't be a Murica thread without at least one person getting shot.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Can't be a Murica thread without at least one person getting shot.

We defend to the death our right to defend to the death

 

[IliveForJuve]

We defend to the death our right to defend to the death

Watch the first 15 seconds of the video in this reddit post.

Only in Murica you get shot over an argument about picking up your son

 

[X Æ A-12]

Oh so the deceased did grab the rifle but then was away and not advancing at the point shots were fired.

Yea homeboy probably going down for this.

Stupid decision to challenge someone who has a firearm in an emotionally charged physical situation like this. If you have the law on your side and they are holding the kid then call the cops, numbnuts

 

[Enron]

Shooter didn’t need to bring his gun. Probably never should have had one in the first place.

 

[Post Ironic]

Oh so the deceased did grab the rifle but then was away and not advancing at the point shots were fired.

Yea homeboy probably going down for this.

Stupid decision to challenge someone who has a firearm in an emotionally charged physical situation like this. If you have the law on your side and they are holding the kid then call the cops, numbnuts

Thankfully, it being white on white, we don’t have to listen to any “systemic racism” nonsense. But this is definitely a case where “castle” doctrine, and self-defense should not apply. These sort of cases ending in not guilty verdicts are the sort that make ‘murican self defense laws look absurd and grotesque.