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[Seven]

Why I dont get is why it is your bussiness what I say sbout anything or when I say it? And gives you the impression I give damn what you think about it?

I'm genuinly corious, before you make childish claims about angry this or that. You are clearly utterly incapable of having a basic discussion instead just spew out your self-important mantra whatever the topic is (I wasnt even addressing you since I long realized its futile) Obama just being another example you stereotype. Who is far far out of the norm of the establishment of american white presidents for the past 2 centuries, its ridicolous to state otherwise on that point alone since that was the barrier that was broken, and what majority of the hype was for (besides being a well articulated and educated man). Whatever black president that became the first would be, regardless of his personal background.

I invite you to read my posts again and see if they really warranted your behaviour. I think you will come to the conclusion that they did not. I don't know where all this is coming from, but I doubt it's abou what I said in this thread. Maybe you and I have some issues that go way back, but you are not treating me fairly at all in this thread. And I resent that.

As disappointed as many might be in the black community about Obama not overtly going to bat for them often enough, Obama probably played it mostly right for a first black president. If he showed too much favoritism towards what seemed like "blacks-only causes", he could have poisoned the potential political futures of many black Americans for years to come. He unfortunately had to walk a fine line by showing you can be president, and you can be a black president, but without being a black man who also happens to be president -- which this country certainly doesn't seem ready to accept.



Another black man you can't fit into a convenient box.



Which I correlate with the same class of people who are firebombing Southern churches (if not shooting them in their churches), which I also ironically correlate with the same class of people in India that are being branded as rapists.

Somebody is doing all the raping at the US-Mexico border, so maybe it's the disaffected Indian underclasses.

He did not have to be a walking stereotype. But his campaign was all about change and he failed to deliver. He capitalised on the fact that he was black, because it suited his narrative. I understand that's how politics work and I realise it was important to have a black president. I also think he was a far more credible president than Bush and he made America look better globally. But I am still disappointed. He made his own hype and didn't deliver.

 

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[Bjerknes]

@Bjerknes @Hustini

We don't hate him because that would make us racists.

Also, if you criticize Hillary, you're sexist.

Well of course. How can we hate the supreme leader?

Swag did make a good point. And one that I agree with. But my point was that Obama is hardly a champion of the black community and more importantly that his situation is so different from that of most African Americans that I am not sure if we can say that someone outside the 'establishment' is now president.

What I don't get is why you show up every time there is a debate around race.

I agree on the Obama point. Black unemployment rates are higher than before, plus crime in cities such as Baltimore and Chicago are increasing. He couldn't care less about blacks, really.

What a hilarious night, and there are people in this country who consider voting these clowns Funniest part last night was how Rand Paul, an American politician running for presidency in the United States of America, debating with other American candidates in front of American people had to defend his (not even radical) position regarding US funding of Israel. I like his stand on a number of issues (although he hates Iran) but he's a little too angry/emotional when making his points (that "you were busy hugging Obama" bit was such a low silly attack). Carson is smart but he seemed totally clueless at times.

Oh and that last question about word of God or something And these guys are big on fighting religious fanaticism.

No wonder there are people who hate Obama, he's too smart to be understood by people who support these tiny brains.

I don't think Rand hates Iran per se. It's another way of catering to the base of Republicans while still promoting that fiscally responsible stance on government handouts to other countries.

Obama is certainly smart as a con-artist.

lol exactly, there were moments i was like wait, is it the same dude who talked a few mins ago.



It's not his fault that the expectations were ridiculously high, to have such high expectations of any politician is stupid in the first place, that's what happened to Andy (Bjerknes). He'd literally gone insane when Obama was elected, look at him now. Greg on the other hand was never as enthusiastic, and he's still the same person.

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Well that's one thing he got right.

High expectations? You mean actually stick with what he campaigned on, which was going after Wall Street fraudsters and placing transparency back in Washington?

Seven years later and not one single bankster in jail for committing the financial crimes of the century. Seven years later and Obama still has lobbyists essentially running his White House (after claiming he wouldn't have any). Seven years later and the Obama administration still lies outright to the public about essentially every piece of legislation they promote.

I learned from my political mistakes over the years and won't make them again. It takes a while to figure out how both parties are owned and operated by the same folks. If government is the major problem in the economy, acting as the Trojan horse for corruption, then the only solution is to have limited government at this point in time. We might have one more chance to fix some of these problems, but most likely this ship has already sailed.

 

[Seven]

I feel that if people aren't allowed to be disappointed with Obama we're setting the bar really low. Are we okay with politics just working that way? And if we are, why even bother to have elections at all? Surely we must always evaluate politicians in light of what they promosed. And if we do that with Obama, we must conclude he came up short.

 

[ALC]

But gold is so 1922 and impractical in a modern electronic exchange based economy. Not to mention most of the fandom about gold is based on this false notion that it is impervious to trading bubbles.

I honestly have no idea why the fuck gold is valued so highly. It's a metal. Wtf are you going to do with it that makes it so important that you base a whole country's currency on it? Sure, it has better properties than a lot of other metals but it is mainly used for jewelry. So stupid.

 

[Bjerknes]

I feel that if people aren't allowed to be disappointed with Obama we're setting the bar really low. Are we okay with politics just working that way? And if we are, why even bother to have elections at all? Surely we must always evaluate politicians in light of what they promosed. And if we do that with Obama, we must conclude he came up short.

Well yes, the bar is set that low, yet folks still vote for the likes of Hillary and Jeb despite how insane their excuses happen to be. Then when you criticize them for various reasons, the last excuse is always, "well, they're politicians... so I'll vote for Hillary!" Indeed, if that's the case, why even participate in the political process? Don't "rock the vote" as the freaks on MTV say, stay at home and watch Dancing with the Stars and leave this to those who do actually care.

The whole Obama expectations nonsense is the last ditch effort from Democrats to save his worthless legacy.

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I honestly have no idea why the $#@! gold is valued so highly. It's a metal. Wtf are you going to do with it that makes it so important that you base a whole country's currency on it? Sure, it has better properties than a lot of other metals but it is mainly used for jewelry. So stupid.

It's a precious metal, dude. You can't make more of it. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[swag]

I honestly have no idea why the fuck gold is valued so highly. It's a metal. Wtf are you going to do with it that makes it so important that you base a whole country's currency on it? Sure, it has better properties than a lot of other metals but it is mainly used for jewelry. So stupid.

The idea is that it once had magical qualities (it certainly did chemically in the Bronze Age), intrinsic value, and had a generally presumed limited volume in the world. Even if mines still produced more of it.

The trouble is that "intrinsic value" is a myth. If there's any supply-and-demand forces on anything in the world, it will be subject to the faddish whims of humans: meaning bust and boom cycles like any other commodity. There's nothing special about it.

X wisely pointed out its value as a hedge for inflationary pressures from politicians who buy the election with the electorate's own money, but gold is probably no better a hedge than Bitcoin.

 

[Seven]

Actually gold does have practical uses. For example it used to be very important for dentistry. Something to do with the density that made it perfect. But it was mainly made expensive because it shines I suppose. People like pretty things, nothing wrong in that.

 

[swag]

So then why not aluminum? It has far more practical uses than gold. People arguably love beer, cars, and flying in planes more than shiny jewelry, for example.

Gold's value in dentistry is that we had a hard time forging metals that were inert when in constant contact with bodily fluids. Stuff that didn't break down and react with blood. The same is true for things like artificial joints. But materials science has advanced generations beyond that old thing.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well yes, the bar is set that low, yet folks still vote for the likes of Hillary and Jeb despite how insane their excuses happen to be. Then when you criticize them for various reasons, the last excuse is always, "well, they're politicians... so I'll vote for Hillary!" Indeed, if that's the case, why even participate in the political process? Don't "rock the vote" as the freaks on MTV say, stay at home and watch Dancing with the Stars and leave this to those who do actually care.

The whole Obama expectations nonsense is the last ditch effort from Democrats to save his worthless legacy.

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It's a precious metal, dude. You can't make more of it. Why is this so hard to understand?

what about your boy hayek's idea of privatizing money? bitcoin is kinda getting there

 

[Bjerknes]

What currency has stored value for over a thousand years?

Beer has a shelf life, too, dude.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What currency has stored value for over a thousand years?

Beer has a shelf life, too, dude.

also it doesnt matter whats practical and whats not, if you are starving and whoever has food wnats to only deal in gold, then by God with gold you will deal, market psychology was never about sound judgement

 

[Seven]

So then why not aluminum? It has far more practical uses than gold. People arguably love beer, cars, and flying in planes more than shiny jewelry, for example.

Gold's value in dentistry is that we had a hard time forging metals that were inert when in constant contact with bodily fluids. Stuff that didn't break down and react with blood. The same is true for things like artificial joints. But materials science has advanced generations beyond that old thing.

Because aluminium wasn't discovered until the early 19th century.

Beer is abundant, jewelry is not. I don't understand why you guys can't wrap your head around the fact that scarcity makes things expensive.. Which abundant good costs a lot of money?

 

[swag]

also it doesnt matter whats practical and whats not, if you are starving and whoever has food wnats to only deal in gold, then by God with gold you will deal, market psychology was never about sound judgement

Whiskey, guns, and cigarettes.

 

[Bjerknes]

X wisely pointed out its value as a hedge for inflationary pressures from politicians who buy the election with the electorate's own money, but gold is probably no better a hedge than Bitcoin.

That's preposterous, but it's probably good that most think that way.

what about your boy hayek's idea of privatizing money? bitcoin is kinda getting there

I'm all for alternative currencies. But then again, Bitcoin isn't really backed by anything, so it's fiat. I wouldn't store my own money in Bitcoin, that's for sure.

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also it doesnt matter whats practical and whats not, if you are starving and whoever has food wnats to only deal in gold, then by God with gold you will deal, market psychology was never about sound judgement

Yes, and you certainly can't eat gold. We know this. But when has gold "gone to zero" or perished?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

That's preposterous, but it's probably good that most think that way.



I'm all for alternative currencies. But then again, Bitcoin isn't really backed by anything, so it's fiat. I wouldn't store my own money in Bitcoin, that's for sure.

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Yes, and you certainly can't eat gold. We know this. But when has gold "gone to zero" or perished?

http://www.businessinsider.com/hayek-cryptocurrency-backed-by-gold-2015-5

 

[swag]

http://www.businessinsider.com/hayek-cryptocurrency-backed-by-gold-2015-5

Shane Ferro

 

[Seven]

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That's preposterous, but it's probably good that most think that way.



I'm all for alternative currencies. But then again, Bitcoin isn't really backed by anything, so it's fiat. I wouldn't store my own money in Bitcoin, that's for sure.

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Yes, and you certainly can't eat gold. We know this. But when has gold "gone to zero" or perished?

Unlike Bitcoin, gold is something tangible that lasts. Money fluctuates enough as it is. Bitcoin is even worse and to be honest is just like money in lots of ways. I think it adds nothing.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Shane Ferro

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Unlike Bitcoin, gold is something tangible that lasts. Money fluctuates enough as it is. Bitcoin is even worse and to be honest is just like money in lots of ways. I think it adds nothing.

another reason why real estate is always a sound long term investment

 

[Enron]

In the future we will all buy pussy with bottle caps.

 

[Seven]

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another reason why real estate is always a sound long term investment

Well, yes and no. Looking at prices in Belgium, there is a big possibility I couldn't get much back on my investment. But what real estate offers you is that you actually have something. Unless of course you bought a worthless house in an inflated market through a perverted system of too easily handed out mortgages .

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In the future we will all buy pussy with bottle caps.

Someone promised sex robots the other day. Maybe that's how we'l fuel them?