Mumbai Shootings (3 Viewers)

Bjerknes

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That was true prior to our invasion of the Middle East.
I don't think so. I believe they're indifferent when it comes to that. That's why they do not say boo about anything we have done there in the past 10 years. As long as we keep buying their oil, it's all good.
 

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Be blunt,and point a direct finger at Pakistan.But when you do that,do keep in mind that the extremist elements in Pakistan,and the official Pakistani stance on the whole thing,are two very different issues.The killings could very well be supported by extremists in Pakistan,but that does not make the Pakistani goverment,or the ISI responsible for this very act.
Aye. Also, the only tie these people probably had to Pakistan is that their parents were born there seeing as most of them are alleged to hold US and UK passports.

Nevertheless, we should wait for concrete reports before we start pointing fingers.
 

Ahmed

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they are saying they that these Pakistani terrorists were from Faridkot, which is actually a district in the northern area of the Indian state of Punjab :shifty:
 

Ahmed

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latest "facts" from NDTV:

- there were 10 terrorists, 9 killed, 1 in custody
- the guy in custody claims to be a "Lashkar" commander
- the terrorists left from Karachi on Nov. 12 and Nov. 13
- their plan was to blow the Taj, they had a reconaissance mission 4 months ago
- their plan was to kill 5,000 people
- 195 killed, 300+ injured
- govt. has refuted claims that they are British Pakistanis, Mauritian IDs and credit cards were apparently found on them
 
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    Be blunt,and point a direct finger at Pakistan.But when you do that,do keep in mind that the extremist elements in Pakistan,and the official Pakistani stance on the whole thing,are two very different issues.The killings could very well be supported by extremists in Pakistan,but that does not make the Pakistani goverment,or the ISI responsible for this very act.
    no one is blaming or pointing fingers. i'm just tired of these so called "extremists". it seems that there are alot of them these days. kinda makes one wonder.

    No way there were that many Bangladesi's and no Indian Muslims involved, for all I know there aren't any Bangladeshi's who can think of these acts without some Indian Muslim bringing it to them. The extremist outfits in my country aren't active in my country and probably recruitement service for indian muslim extremist groups.

    Most Bangladeshi muslims hardly pick themselves up to go to the Friday prayer and there too there are no sermons as aggresive as some of the ones I have to hear, here in London, it's almost embarassing to say prayer with this people here.




    Minus something is not realistic, anyways I wanted to add that the probability of Bangladesh's government's involvement is zero, because Bangladesh has no government at this moment.:)
    read the news reports and watch the news. it was stated on NDTV and CNN. i'm not sitting here making shit up

    Aye. Also, the only tie these people probably had to Pakistan is that their parents were born there seeing as most of them are alleged to hold US and UK passports.

    Nevertheless, we should wait for concrete reports before we start pointing fingers.
    once again, no one is pointing fingers. more ppl are going into defense mode more than anything. i'm just tired of this bullshit and innocent ppl that I PERSONALLY know dying because of "extremists"

    latest "facts" from NDTV:

    - there were 10 terrorists, 9 killed, 1 in custody
    - the guy in custody claims to be a "Lashkar" commander
    - the terrorists left from Karachi on Nov. 12 and Nov. 13
    - their plan was to blow the Taj, they had a reconaissance mission 4 months ago
    - their plan was to kill 5,000 people
    - 195 killed, 300+ injured
    - govt. has refuted claims that they are British Pakistanis, Mauritian IDs and credit cards were apparently found on them
    there were 29 total. they came into mumbai via boat. the supposedly planned this for +6months.
     

    Bjerknes

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    The term extremist is used very liberally these days indeed. It automatically makes one think they have religious motivations for their crimes, without the help of a government body. It's sort of similar to how people in the US perceive terrorism; sending official forces into certain regions is never thought to be terrorism when in actuality it is. People are fooled by a lot of this stuff and it's convenient for certain governments to use extremism as cover on various fronts, and that will only increase through time because it works so well.
     
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    but i haven't used the word terrorist in this case, i used the PC term extremist. actually there guys were "commandos", whatever the fuck that means. but this wasn't about religion it was supposedly about kashmir :rolleyes:
     

    Bjerknes

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    I wasn't disagreeing with you, Dru.

    In regards to Kashmir, I know the US has been involved in some ways, but has it really been that much? Could it be that the UN Security Resolution set in place decades ago is still causing hate towards the West? It just doesn't make any sense.
     

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    JhoolayLaaaal!
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    Dru, you got every reason to be upset over this shit but all this "makes you wonder" comments sounds like you are pointing fingers.

    I've lost relatives and friends of family way before these recent resurfacing of global terrorism. So you're not the only one affected by terrorism. Just a few weeks ago a friend of my dad's was gunned down:
     

    Martin

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    Andy, not everything is about Israel. It seems to be a red herring for you.

    As for Pakistan, it's hard to see what the incentive would have been to the government. You set out to kill a lot of people, many of them westerners. What does that accomplish toward the Pakistani cause exactly? Send all the tourists to Pakistani? I don't think so.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Maybe, but was this an attack on the US? Or was it more likely an attack on India or Indian interests in some sense?
    Of course it wasn't an attack on the US. It very well may have nothing to do with the US whatsoever. But the continuous theme in most of these events is Muslim "Extremists" targeting Americans and Westerners in general. Now, the attacks could be what they appear to be, which is retaliation towards the West for policy regarding Palestine or Kashmir. Or, perhaps that isn't the issue whatsoever and the appearance of the attacks is mere cover for something else, such as igniting a war in the region or shaking up the politics in India.

    As for which one it is, who knows? Well the people closer to the situation, of course.
     

    Martin

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    "Terrorist attacks", the phrase we now use in our everyday conversation, are not US centric. They have been happening in various forms for a long time. So far I haven't heard anything about "Muslim extremists" in this case, and there's no saying you have to be cuckoo over religion to be nuts. It could be purely political by some marginal group.
     

    Martin

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    So why target Americans and Brits?
    Well not to be overly cynical, but what better way to guarantee that the news of your little operation travel round the world than to target westerners?

    We don't really care much about civil wars over here, do we? Unless our people get caught in the crossfire.
     

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