most succesful sides in particular leagues (2 Viewers)

[HelterSkelter]

i found this interesting website(http://www.aboutaball.co.uk/html2/rankings/rankingita.php)they've listed the major teams in a country in order.they've made up the list through points,which are awarded as follows :

Points awarded as follows:

Champions Cup Win +15
Cup Winners/UEFA Cup Win +12
League Championship +10
Main Cup Win +5
League Cup Win +3
Second Division Win +3
Lower Division Win +1
Season in top division +2
Season in 2nd division +1
Bonuses: Super Cup; Club Cup; Double +5

im listing the top 10 teams according to the list.

ITALY

1.Juventus 553 pts
2.AC Milan 453 pts
3.Internazionale 361 pts
4.Torino 243 pts
5.Genoa 223 pts
6.AS Roma 219 pts
7.Bologna 215 pts
8.Napoli 189 pts
9.SS Lazio 189 pts
10.Sampdoria 154 pts

ENGLAND

1.Liverpool 558 pts
2.Manchester United 476 pts
3.Arsenal 413 pts
4.Aston Villa 368 pts
5.Everton 356 pts
6.Sunderland 298 pts
7.Tottenham Hotspur 275 pts
8.Manchester City 267 pts
9.Newcastle United 265 pts
10.Sheffield Wednesday 249 pts

SPAIN

1.Real Madrid 701 pts
2.Barcelona 551 pts
3.Athletic Bilbao 362 pts
4.Atletico Madrid 296 pts
5.Valencia 265 pts
6.Real Zaragoza 167 pts
7.Sevilla 166 pts
8.Real Sociedad 160 pts
9.Espanyol 156 pts
10.Deportivo La Coruña 133 pts

GERMANY

the points have been recorded after 1945.

1.Bayern München 396 pts
2.Borussia Dortmund 174 pts
3.Borussia Monchengladbach 164 pts
4.Hamburger SV 160 pts
5.Werder Bremen 142 pts
6.1. FC Köln 134 pts
7.VFB Stuttgart 133 pts
8.Kaiserslautern 130 pts
9.Hansa Rostock 122 pts
10.Eintracht Frankfurt 120 pts



teams like chelsea and parma dont even make the top 10 in their respective countries.that was pretty surprising.maybe not so in parma's case,but i expected parma to be in italy's top 10.and also,going by the records,one might come to the conclusion that the english league has historically been the most comepetitive one.or has it?their 10th most succesful team has more points than any other 10th place team.

 

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[Seven]

Hmm, must say I got most of that list.

 

[Elvin]

and also,going by the records,one might come to the conclusion that the english league has historically been the most comepetitive one.or has it?their 10th most succesful team has more points than any other 10th place team.

No, that's because they started playing official football earlier than others, also it shows that English football has obvious underdogs

Calcio rules !!!

 

[Eddy]

Tottenham rule

 

[Respaul]

No, that's because they started playing official football earlier than others, also it shows that English football has obvious underdogs

Not exactly sure how you come to that... If you look at the first teams from italy / england... The first on the england list to win was everton and the first from the italian list to win was genoa... There was only 6 years between them... If you then take into account the years either league wasnt contested... England 11 years suspended to italy's 6 years suspended, there is only a gap of 1 year between how long either competition has been running since the first teams on this list first won...

Also take into account English teams not entering the european scene til later and the 5 years they were banned from european competition and the idea jus doesnt hold up...

Milan and liverpool both opened their accounts in the same season

Calcio rules !!!

Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt, but this doesnty prove it eitherway

 

[Falafel]

the problem with the english league is that every decade has two teams controlling it n thats whats getting teams close to each other
but i do believe the premiership(excluding chelsea) is better than serie a in terms of competition(in serie a u can easily predict places beforehand)

 

[HelterSkelter]

here's also something about the german league from the same website :

We have limited this ranking to teams currently competing in the top national divisions to keep it relevant to the modern day. There is no point in saying that a now defunct or amateur club such as Dynamo Dresden is one of the biggest clubs in the country.

NOTE: Due to the particularities of German history it proved much harder to come up with a reasonable ranking system for Germany than for any other country. Although German football dates back to the dawn of the 20th century and beyond, it is only feasible to produce a ranking table for post-war football because of the number of changes and irregularities before this time. For example, there was never a single national championship before the war, only regional groups who played off for the title. As the German empire expanded in the 1930's and '40's the championship and the cup included (and were often won by) Austrian, Czech and French teams e.g. First Vienna FC, Rapid Wien. When football resumed after the war, Germany was split into two countries, the BRD in the west and the DDR in the east. These were reunited in 1990 and a unified league began in the 1991/92 season. There are currently only three clubs from the former East Germany competing in the professional leagues in Germany and we decided to treat points gained from East and West German football equally, just as East German Marks were converted to Deutsch Marks at reunification.

NOTE: West German football continued to be totally regional after the war, from 1945-1963, when there were 6 championships and playoffs for the overall champion. We have awarded points to the overall champion from 1945 onwards. The Bundesliga began in the 1963/64 season, and has continued as a single, national top division ever since. A second level was created for the first time, although this took the form of five regional groups with playoffs for two promotion places. For the 1974/75 season this became two groups and in 1981 a national second division was created. This has remained unchanged except for the 1991/92 season when it was briefly regional to accommodate the inclusion of eastern clubs. The third level has always been regional and has changed frequently. In 2000/01 it was streamlined to just Nord and Süd groups above a fourth level of ten parallel divisions.

The East German league was much simpler to follow as it changed little between post-war resumption in 1949/50 and reunification at the end of 1990/91. There was always a single top division with between two and five regional divisions below it. The cup also ran from 1949/50 - 1990/91.

 

[sateeh]

interesting stuff, thanx guys