Why dont you get your head outta your *** and go beat on some other loser like you
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In one instance did we divert from the subject, other than that I was making a comparaison to illustrate my point and opinion on the decisive player subject. And his confrontational attitude was very clear when I tried to patch things up. Anyhoos wont run from a fight so Reeks get off your high horse and bring it on or shut it for good
Another question you may want to add Jeeks...a player who assists his team mates to score these decisive goals...aren't they decisive as well? Say if Camo did not assist Trez in the match against Brugge, Trez would have not scored, so isn't Camo decisive too or even more?
Cos if a player can send you 5 times one on one with the keeper and you score 1 out of these 5, why should you be more decisive than the player who gave you 5 chances of scoring and you "only" made one of them?
Cos if a player can send you 5 times one on one with the keeper and you score 1 out of these 5, why should you be more decisive than the player who gave you 5 chances of scoring and you "only" made one of them?
Guess this post is more approptiate over here...
I wanted to share with you guys this piece from an article by Paul Gardner in World Soccer Mag.
I once asked an English colleague why he never used it (assists as a statistic), and he answered thus: "Assist? Well, it's not a noun, is it?" A grammatical objection then, with probably a little anti-Americanism mixed in; the assist is an American ice hocky concept.
But is it a useful one? As a writer I find it very useful, but I believe it has a wider value in that it does reveal something about a player's achievments. It also gives some recognition to the contribution of playmakers.
The biggest problem is deciding on a definition of an assist. Without clear-cut criteria the process of allotting assists can be widely abused.
Let's go back to that 1986 World Cup. It's June 22. We're in Mexico City's Azteca stadium. Argentina's Hector Enrique, 10 yards inside his own half, prods the ball forward, a simple five pass to Diego Maradona. And away goes Maradona, corkscrewing his way through the English defence to score one of the greatest World Cup goals.
Obviously to give an assist to such a goal would be farcical. But suppose Marradona had passed the ball at the last moment, giving a colleague an easy tap-in? marking up an assist would at least give some credit to Maradona.
Somewhere between those extremes lie the vast majority of goals. Why not try to acknowledge that most of them involve contributions from more than one player? In 1990, FIFA laid out its criteria- from the obvious (assist to the player who passed to the scorer, plus maybe an additional assist to the player who made the pass before that; no assist on indivisual dribbling plays), to the not so obvious (on a penalty kick, an assist to the player who was fouled, unless he takes the kick himself).
But however detailed the list, there will be problem areas. what about the player who steps over the ball and lets it run through to the scorer? Does he get an assist even though he didn't touch the ball?
The now defunct North American Soccer League had an award for its top assist provider. But it soon became clear that teams were giving out two or even three assists, warranted or not, on every goal, trying to push their own players for the award. Lacking the resources to check every goal, the NASL tried to level things out by ruling that all assisted goals must be given two assists and sometimes a third.
FIFA has no award for assists but has used them as a tie-breaker for scoring awards. In 1999 World Youth Cup, Spain's Pablo and Mali's Mahamadou Dissa were joint top scorers with five goals. The Golden Shoe went to Pable, who had two assists to Dissa's one.
Otherwise, FIFA's assist total remains a well-kept secret within the pages of technical reports. If you care to look, you'll find that USSR's Igor Belanov is the assist champion, with the six recorded in 1986. In 2002 tournament you will see that Ronaldo's24 points came from his eight goals. He had no assists - possibly indicating a more ruthlessly selfish Ronaldo than the one we saw in 1998, when he tallied four goals and three assists. Germany's Michael Ballack was the assist leader in 2002 with four; as he also scored three goals (for total of 13 points) he could perhaps -statisticlly- lay claim to being the tounament's top all-rounder.
Possibly that is reading, too much into these figures, but some of them do seem to tell us something about the players. In 1986, Gary Lineker's tournament-leading six goals and no assists sounds right. That same tournament was dominated by Maradona, who seemed to do everything for Argentina. His performances is surely reflected in his five-goal, five-assist, 20 point total- the best all-round performance among the five World Cups covered by FIFA's statistics.
I wanted to share with you guys this piece from an article by Paul Gardner in World Soccer Mag.
I once asked an English colleague why he never used it (assists as a statistic), and he answered thus: "Assist? Well, it's not a noun, is it?" A grammatical objection then, with probably a little anti-Americanism mixed in; the assist is an American ice hocky concept.
But is it a useful one? As a writer I find it very useful, but I believe it has a wider value in that it does reveal something about a player's achievments. It also gives some recognition to the contribution of playmakers.
The biggest problem is deciding on a definition of an assist. Without clear-cut criteria the process of allotting assists can be widely abused.
Let's go back to that 1986 World Cup. It's June 22. We're in Mexico City's Azteca stadium. Argentina's Hector Enrique, 10 yards inside his own half, prods the ball forward, a simple five pass to Diego Maradona. And away goes Maradona, corkscrewing his way through the English defence to score one of the greatest World Cup goals.
Obviously to give an assist to such a goal would be farcical. But suppose Marradona had passed the ball at the last moment, giving a colleague an easy tap-in? marking up an assist would at least give some credit to Maradona.
Somewhere between those extremes lie the vast majority of goals. Why not try to acknowledge that most of them involve contributions from more than one player? In 1990, FIFA laid out its criteria- from the obvious (assist to the player who passed to the scorer, plus maybe an additional assist to the player who made the pass before that; no assist on indivisual dribbling plays), to the not so obvious (on a penalty kick, an assist to the player who was fouled, unless he takes the kick himself).
But however detailed the list, there will be problem areas. what about the player who steps over the ball and lets it run through to the scorer? Does he get an assist even though he didn't touch the ball?
The now defunct North American Soccer League had an award for its top assist provider. But it soon became clear that teams were giving out two or even three assists, warranted or not, on every goal, trying to push their own players for the award. Lacking the resources to check every goal, the NASL tried to level things out by ruling that all assisted goals must be given two assists and sometimes a third.
FIFA has no award for assists but has used them as a tie-breaker for scoring awards. In 1999 World Youth Cup, Spain's Pablo and Mali's Mahamadou Dissa were joint top scorers with five goals. The Golden Shoe went to Pable, who had two assists to Dissa's one.
Otherwise, FIFA's assist total remains a well-kept secret within the pages of technical reports. If you care to look, you'll find that USSR's Igor Belanov is the assist champion, with the six recorded in 1986. In 2002 tournament you will see that Ronaldo's24 points came from his eight goals. He had no assists - possibly indicating a more ruthlessly selfish Ronaldo than the one we saw in 1998, when he tallied four goals and three assists. Germany's Michael Ballack was the assist leader in 2002 with four; as he also scored three goals (for total of 13 points) he could perhaps -statisticlly- lay claim to being the tounament's top all-rounder.
Possibly that is reading, too much into these figures, but some of them do seem to tell us something about the players. In 1986, Gary Lineker's tournament-leading six goals and no assists sounds right. That same tournament was dominated by Maradona, who seemed to do everything for Argentina. His performances is surely reflected in his five-goal, five-assist, 20 point total- the best all-round performance among the five World Cups covered by FIFA's statistics.