Moggi: "Barca must double Trez bid" (22 Viewers)

Juventino

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Jul 27, 2002
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#21
++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
Juventino, Zlatan - Thanks.
no problem! :)

btw. guys! since when has Moggi been so keen on revealing so much
information that we have been reading during these days.

First football italia claim that Moggi has said they are negotiating for
Vieri, and now he reveales the Trez/Barca deal???

hmmm. I don't know seems odd!!!
 

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Erkka

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Mar 31, 2004
3,863
#23
nah, Vieri is much over-paid, his just not worth it... And I doubt that Vieri would even consider that kind of wage, 3.8million isn't enough for him (or that's what he thinks)
 

aressandro10

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Jul 30, 2003
2,884
#25
++ [ originally posted by DukeVonEggwaffle? ] ++
aressandro vieri is not class. he is paid very highly, and he had a couple amazing seasons but theyre all gone.
strange, vieri is among strikers with the highest goal per game ratio in Serie A in the last seasons or so.. it dun suggest at all that it will drop in the next 2-3 years... maybe you only thought he is declining bcoz his constatnt injuries and off the field fall outs....and of coz.. the Inter factor...
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
9,116
#27
El Mundo Deportivo.
Barca are trying to finalize all transfers by the end of the month so that our squad will have good preperation time for the next season. The amount of money to be spent is €40M or slightly more.

Some crazy prices are flying around though. Barca are trying to sign Ballack for €10M, same with Trez, and Giuly for €5-6M, which is supposedly very close to what Monaco wants. I mean, if we get any of these players for these amounts it's sensational, nothing less. Seems like Fabigol(josh- luis fabiano) would be our most expensive signing as the situation is right now. It also says that a purchase of a defender is of a low priority after the signings of Gio, Belletti and possibly Davids.
 

aressandro10

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Jul 30, 2003
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#28
++ [ originally posted by DukeVonEggwaffle? ] ++
either way, aressandro dont you think we could be better off getting another player? younger?
for financial reasons, i might, if he were 33/34.... but 30 is a peak age for proffesionals.. theorically we are taking him at the time he perform at his best level.. and a dose of his best level for the next 2-3 years would very well help us add to the 27 scudetto and 2 champions league title.. you dont have to be in the club for 8 years to be significant... a single champions league winning season would do....

other than that, i dun see player's age as significant as people make out to be...either they perform or they are not... Christian Vieri and Fabio Cannavaro are way better then anyone else out there... old or young...we are not some unmotivated club who have the luxury to culture young players.. young players should only play if they can perform.. becoz of proven ability, not same imaginary potential....
 

Elnur_E65

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Feb 21, 2004
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#30
++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++


for financial reasons, i might, if he were 33/34.... but 30 is a peak age for proffesionals.. theorically we are taking him at the time he perform at his best level.. and a dose of his best level for the next 2-3 years would very well help us add to the 27 scudetto and 2 champions league title.. you dont have to be in the club for 8 years to be significant... a single champions league winning season would do....

other than that, i dun see player's age as significant as people make out to be...either they perform or they are not... Christian Vieri and Fabio Cannavaro are way better then anyone else out there... old or young...we are not some unmotivated club who have the luxury to culture young players.. young players should only play if they can perform.. becoz of proven ability, not same imaginary potential....
Excellent post.

Growing talents is certainly a good thing, but getting an experienced player for a couple of seasons should be welcomed, especially if that player has proven himself in Seria A.

This does not mean that we need to buy bunch of old farts to play for Juve, we need to have a balance. And Vieri + Cannavaro will not hurt this balance.
 

Erkka

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Mar 31, 2004
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#32
++ [ originally posted by Pendir_E65 ] ++


Excellent post.

Growing talents is certainly a good thing, but getting an experienced player for a couple of seasons should be welcomed, especially if that player has proven himself in Seria A.

This does not mean that we need to buy bunch of old farts to play for Juve, we need to have a balance. And Vieri + Cannavaro will not hurt this balance.
I agree about everything, except Vieri, he's just too expensive and he doesn't have the passion, we can get decent replacement for Trez much more cheaply, and our future would be secured for few years more...
 

aressandro10

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Jul 30, 2003
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#33
++ [ originally posted by Pendir_E65 ] ++


Excellent post.

Growing talents is certainly a good thing, but getting an experienced player for a couple of seasons should be welcomed, especially if that player has proven himself in Seria A.

This does not mean that we need to buy bunch of old farts to play for Juve, we need to have a balance. And Vieri + Cannavaro will not hurt this balance.
i also dont have anything against growing talents.... i love how the club do a Del Piero, Maresca, Miccoli,... and looking forward to see Blasi, Brighi, Benjamin, and Gasbaroni.... but making all fuss about Mexes, Ferrari, and Gilardino when its obvious other clubs want them as well is just plain sucks... they are their young stars.. i want our own young stars...
 

slack

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Dec 13, 2002
208
#34
I cautioned anyone who thought we'd get 20m Euros (nevermind pounds) on rethinking their valuation on the 'potential' gain from Trez before and this is exactly it - the reality of the circumstances.

Why would anyone pay what Moggi wants when all they need is 6 more months from now to sign a legal pre-contract with the player? The remaining 6 months is Davids' loan deal to Barca revisited. Before anyone thinks making an example of a player by humiliating him (as we tried with Davids) and refusing him play time is a good idea, I'd like to quote the rotten orange effect by Mourinho on the rest of the squad.

Bear in mind that players on free transfers receive hefty signing-on fees, as a percentage of the 'savings' made by the new club which does not have to pay a transfer fee. Couple the fact on how Moggi lied to Trez about improving his contract throughout 4 years, Juve can expect no loyalty / cooperation from the player himself on the situation. That is added pressure to release Trez sooner than later. And quite rightly so.

Remember also that Moggi doesn't have the same power when dealing with people outside Italy.

To put things into perspective, Moggi had 4 FREAKING years to do something about it but instead tried to play punk on Trez until the very last minute, probably assuming the player would submit at the very end. It would have been perfect had he honoured his word. And given that we're about to splurge a fortune on Vieri, you wouldn't think that money was really the issue.

You're such a smartass, Moggi. Continue your feud with Sensi, Roma by all means but don't keep using Juve as your tool to do so.
 
Jan 7, 2004
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#35
++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++
hahahahah.... club as prick as Juventus deserve this prick play by Barcelona.... now they have no choice but to accept a lowered bid as the have to sell him this season no matter what or else we would have another Davids case...
we defiently saw this one coming
 

Juventino

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Jul 27, 2002
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#36
++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++


i also dont have anything against growing talents.... i love how the club do a Del Piero, Maresca, Miccoli,... and looking forward to see Blasi, Brighi, Benjamin, and Gasbaroni.... but making all fuss about Mexes, Ferrari, and Gilardino when its obvious other clubs want them as well is just plain sucks... they are their young stars.. i want our own young stars...
Making fuss about .... when it's obvious other teams want them as well???
LOL! so every time a player has several clubs after him and one is juve we
the fans should say, ehhh the hell with him!!!

They are their young stars???? According to who??? Gilardino is born just
outside Turin. he has since a little boy been a JUVE fan. His biggest dream
is to play for JUVE. But as everything looks like now he is
keeping all doors open and praises every team that show interest!
and rightly so!
 

aressandro10

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Jul 30, 2003
2,884
#37
++ [ originally posted by Juventino ] ++


Making fuss about ....
yeah.. you know.. over reacting... talking as if they are already our players ..... as if such young talent dont come every season...

when it's obvious other teams want them as well???
LOL! so every time a player has several clubs after him and one is juve we
the fans should say, ehhh the hell with him!!!
yess... in fact thats exacly how i want every Juventus fan to say.. its stupid to go after young talents thats highly sought after.. it will boost their market price as high as the already seasonal players which can give instant reasults instead .... there are clubs who do that.. Inter.. Real Madrid.. but we are more superior than that.. i think money is secondary... but i want our young talents to be more selective.. the type who escapes other people radar...Maresa out of WBA.. Miccoli from Ternana.. Camoranesi from Verona..Benjamin.. Del Piero... i think those kind of players are more JUVElike... we only buy quality seasonal players to go straight to our first team...we dont buy overpriced youth...


They are their young stars???? According to who??? Gilardino is born just
outside Turin. he has since a little boy been a JUVE fan. His biggest dream
is to play for JUVE. But as everything looks like now he is
keeping all doors open and praises every team that show interest!
and rightly so!
MY biggest dream is to play for Juve.. his biggest dream is to earn as much money as he could.. when one step into professionalisme, that lil thing u think when u are a kid wont matter anymore. He might be born or raised in Turin, but if he learn to play footbal with Parma ( or Verona ?) , then it THEIR young stars.. i want stars who we developed ourselves.. all the investment and loanings outs will be useless if we end up buying overpriced players like Gilardino, Ferrari and Mexes....
 

aressandro10

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2003
2,884
#38
++ [ originally posted by Poku ] ++


I agree about everything, except Vieri, he's just too expensive and he doesn't have the passion, we can get decent replacement for Trez much more cheaply, and our future would be secured for few years more...

our attack line have been scure for a long time.. boksic, Ravanelli, Inzaghi, Trezeguet... we are Juventus.. as long as we have Moggi, our future will always be secure...;)
 

Layce Erayce

Senior Member
Aug 11, 2002
9,116
#39
++ [ originally posted by slack ] ++
I cautioned anyone who thought we'd get 20m Euros (nevermind pounds) on rethinking their valuation on the 'potential' gain from Trez before and this is exactly it - the reality of the circumstances.

Why would anyone pay what Moggi wants when all they need is 6 more months from now to sign a legal pre-contract with the player? The remaining 6 months is Davids' loan deal to Barca revisited. Before anyone thinks making an example of a player by humiliating him (as we tried with Davids) and refusing him play time is a good idea, I'd like to quote the rotten orange effect by Mourinho on the rest of the squad.

Bear in mind that players on free transfers receive hefty signing-on fees, as a percentage of the 'savings' made by the new club which does not have to pay a transfer fee. Couple the fact on how Moggi lied to Trez about improving his contract throughout 4 years, Juve can expect no loyalty / cooperation from the player himself on the situation. That is added pressure to release Trez sooner than later. And quite rightly so.

Remember also that Moggi doesn't have the same power when dealing with people outside Italy.

To put things into perspective, Moggi had 4 FREAKING years to do something about it but instead tried to play punk on Trez until the very last minute, probably assuming the player would submit at the very end. It would have been perfect had he honoured his word. And given that we're about to splurge a fortune on Vieri, you wouldn't think that money was really the issue.

You're such a smartass, Moggi. Continue your feud with Sensi, Roma by all means but don't keep using Juve as your tool to do so.
slack i agree with you completely
 

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