Mirko Vučinić (16 Viewers)

[Red]

I can see where Alen is coming from to some extent (after a few hours of drinking).

I'm certainly not about to say that this swap is a bad deal for Juve, but I'm not convinced it is as good a deal as just selling Vucinic for ~12m.

Clearly we don't know if there are offers of that amount or if they were from clubs Vucinic would have joined.

However, I can't say I'm convinced Juve signing Guarin is a great idea.

He's a decent player, but I think I would sooner take the money and see what is available in the summer, rather than take Guarin, if that option was available.

 

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[vaper]

Mirko is going to carry that merda side straight to the CHL places. Watch it happen.

Not with that defence

 

[jukazem]

Since you are so sure about it... Wanna bet that he wont?

Some people just don't get that for someone to win, someone else must lose. So what if Vucinic improves Inter, unless Napoli or Roma drop out, Inter or Milan won't get 3rd. Easy bet for you to win.

 

[Jem83]

I can see where Alen is coming from to some extent (after a few hours of drinking).

I'm certainly not about to say that this swap is a bad deal for Juve, but I'm not convinced it is as good a deal as just selling Vucinic for ~12m.

Clearly we don't know if there are offers of that amount or if they were from clubs Vucinic would have joined.

However, I can't say I'm convinced Juve signing Guarin is a great idea.

He's a decent player, but I think I would sooner take the money and see what is available in the summer, rather than take Guarin, if that option was available.

What money, though? Arsenal are only willing to take him on loan, and so are Spurs. This seems to be the best deal that presented itself, as we're getting a player of value in return for him. A year from now, Guarin will be 28, and if things haven't worked out for him here until then, he can be sold for around 8-10 million or used in another swap deal.

Likely scenario, though, Guarin will do well at Conte's Juve, as he offers grinta and a considerable amount of skill. His versatility is also nothing to be scoffed at, as he can fill any midfield role. His best contributions are offensive, though.

 

[AOD4]

Clubs need to understand, we're not going to loan out a $#@!ing 30 year old just so his value can decline even more.

We're not a $#@!ing charity.

You mean like Melo and Martinez.

It's was inevitable. Between Vucinic, Giovinco and Quagliarella, Vucinic was the most expensive for our books and likely to bring the most funds in the market.

Yes, now till end off season we will be contend to see Gio is gonna come from the bench rather than Vucinic. Not like we need him for this easy ride in Serie A.

I think at best Guarin is a replacement for Giacherini. He wont be replacing and of our starters.

Yup, Guarin is actually a versatile player at best compared with Giacherini.

I can see where Alen is coming from to some extent (after a few hours of drinking).

I'm certainly not about to say that this swap is a bad deal for Juve, but I'm not convinced it is as good a deal as just selling Vucinic for ~12m.

Clearly we don't know if there are offers of that amount or if they were from clubs Vucinic would have joined.

However, I can't say I'm convinced Juve signing Guarin is a great idea.

He's a decent player, but I think I would sooner take the money and see what is available in the summer, rather than take Guarin, if that option was available.

Its a good deal from Juve point of view on the economic gains. Plus who else would pay for Vucinic. Marotta got an offer and he makes the best out of it.

Now if only someone would take shitvinco off our hands.

 

[JuveSardu]

Well, guess I gotta change the backround on my phone now

I love you mirko

 

[Joe]

We didn't get any 12M offers for Vucinic. As fans we can value our players all we want, but in reality its who's willing to pay it and no one offered it. Arsenal wanted him on loan.

Secondly, as Marotta always says, its the will of the player that ultimately decides transfers. Vucinic and his family wanted to stay in Italy, and no one in Italy would be willing to drop 12M on Vucinic (or any significant amount of cash for that matter) so we made the choice that makes the most sense in terms of strengthening our team and economically.

 

[Red]

What money, though?

I don't know what offers there are (as I think I made clear in my previous post), so I'm not about to criticise Marotta for doing this deal.

I'm just fairly indifferent with regards to seeing Guarin play for Juve.

 

[Albertmare]

FUUCK ,
why would he leave us for merda ?
sell him somewhere else for fuuck sake

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Melo is only 30 now, we loaned him out two and a half years ago

As for Martinez, who is also 30 now. 99% of the clubs don't even know he exists. I forget until somebody mentions his name.


What would we possibly gain from loaning out Vucinic?

 

[AOD4]

Melo is only 30 now, we loaned him out two and a half years ago

As for Martinez, who is also 30 now. 99% of the clubs don't even know he exists. I forget until somebody mentions his name.


What would we possibly gain from loaning out Vucinic?

We don't gain anything . I'm just trying to point out that we have loaned players which eventually declined in value which you seem to conveniently forget due to the age.

 

[Linebreak]

He's our most creative forward, more so than Tevez. His absence will be felt if Tevez or Llorente are injured.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

I specifically said we're not going to loan ou a 30 year old

Not 27, not 28. 30

30 is a milestone in football, clubs are really hesitant about signing 30+ year olds. Look at Arsenal for example

So, i'm not conveniently forgetting anything. We've loaned players out before who weren't much younger, yes. Normally players with excessively high wages who flopped big time.

So I don't see your point.

 

[Bianconero81]

He's our most creative forward, more so than Tevez. His absence will be felt if Tevez or Llorente are injured.

Common sense strikes again. Now, if Tevez or Llorente are injured, we are left with the ineffectual and utterly useless midget, and Mr. "shoot on sight and never pass" Quag.

 

[AOD4]

I specifically said we're not going to loan ou a 30 year old

Not 27, not 28. 30

30 is a milestone in football, clubs are really hesitant about signing 30+ year olds. Look at Arsenal for example

So, i'm not conveniently forgetting anything. We've loaned players out before who weren't much younger, yes. Normally players with excessively high wages who flopped big time.

So I don't see your point.

What point are you looking for? You said we are not going to loan 30 year old. Which you conveniently overlook Melo and Martinez for your own reasons.
If we can't sell a player, we will loan him out to release the wages regardless what age he is.

Iaquinta i.example.

 

[Trequartista]

Common sense strikes again. Now, if Tevez or Llorente are injured, we are left with the ineffectual and utterly useless midget, and Mr. "shoot on sight and never pass" Quag.

I'd play Vidal as a striker if Llorente or Tevez were injured.

 

[JuveSardu]

I'd play Vidal as a striker if Llorente or Tevez were injured.

Vidal isn't that creative tho, no wear near as creative to pirlo or vucinic, but he'd score no doubt

 

[GordoDeCentral]

and we dont know if we getting someone a la toni circa 2011

 

[Trequartista]

and we dont know if we getting someone a la toni circa 2011

Gila is definitely coming as our vice-Llorente

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

What point are you looking for? You said we are not going to loan 30 year old. Which you conveniently overlook Melo and Martinez for your own reasons.
If we can't sell a player, we will loan him out to release the wages regardless what age he is.

Iaquinta i.example.

Melo and Martinez were 28. Jesus christ.


The plan was, we loan them out and the club hopefully buy them. We loan Vucinic out now, we get him back well over 30 and at an age that puts 99% of clubs off


Iaquinta? You're comparing Vucinic to Iaquinta? How the hell could we sell a player who was constantly injured and training with kids, he went well over a year without even making our bench. He was on something like 4M/season and refused to move. What else could we do


Vucinic is still a very good player, he's not a reserve and he's not on wages that are too high for his ability. Of course we're not going to loan him out.


Then again what do I and Beppe know? Beppe refused a loan offer and said 'we will only accept a permenant transfer deal'

Nevermind though, it's not like Marotta is in charge of who does or doesn't get loaned out.