Mike Brown/Ferguson riots (7 Viewers)

[Hængebøffer]

you touched on a great point imo nationalism/cultural identity is dead and obsolete, those who resist and refuse to accept this are the ones struggling. We are the culmination of existentialist dogma.

You're into Giddens?

 

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[Hust]

The fact of the matter is, it’s up to the people of third world nations to change the current circumstance, whatever it may be. The same can be said about segments of the population in US cities. The government will not save you, the police have no duty to save you, and the Al Sharpton clan have no reason to save you, so the solution is to rely on yourself to make the most of your own world. This means developing your local economy, buying and selling local, starting your own business, educating yourself, not relying on anybody else but yourself. That's what the Turd Fergusons out there need to realize.

 

[Osman]

You are 95% right. I claim my patch of land and due to my ancestry and there is no what if and buts. I know where my roots are from, and I know the condition of the land of my ancestors. as a Somali, mother's qabil (tribe) is from Ogaden (in modern ethiopia shit belongs to Somalia though) father is a majerteen ( they fought with italians ), my main concern is for Africa to heal.

And my opinion in all of this race tension in the states, Europe and all them other retarded places, is that they're all fucking fiends that are only interested in their own agenda and their own wallets. They have absolutely no interest for the people nor the masses. For fuck sakes even first world countries feed their people plastic, litereally plastic!!! Genetically modified crap, and they ask themselves were them weird cancers are coming from. They drug you, then they sell you a watered down potion for a ridiculous price.

The masses, need to put all these meaningless differences aside and see that us as whole, us human beings, we are being shafted by our own and we need to take matters into our own hands.

For exemple, right now, things are calming down in Somalia, the African Union has made several attempts to neutralize the situation, in order for a government to be put into place. Since 91/92 America, nor Europe has lifted a finger for Somalia, nor has that disgusting filth of Arab League (don't even understand why Somalia assosiates themselves with these fucks ) done fuck all. Now that a government is being put into place, you see the likes of the Americans and Brits coming down and trying to put into effect old oil contracts made by Siad Barre (a piece of shit war lord who sold a shit ton of rights for weapons), and the "Somali government" is cooperating WTF!!!!!! Anyways, with a healed Africa, South America, Asia that is has rid itself of these diseases would be do us and our future generations a lot of good.





I'm holding back my tongue like it's not even funny. You know I was born in your country. I was born in Pisa, Italy. On a fucking chair!! Motherfucker took away my right arm, I got a birth injury and can hardly use my right. (My left is mean though watch out!!)
My grandfather on my father's side fought for the Italians in Somalia, he was a general. My father got an italian education and went to university in Pisa, got his undergrad and masters, was sweeping floors
On my mother's side, oh lawd did they hate your people I kinda do to, a lot of times it takes a very conscious effort to not hate italians, there are times where I want your weak puny, insignificant country to just disapear. My maternal grandmother used to talk to me about how your elders were plotting and scheming for and Somalia/Ethiopia without Ethiopians. They had plans, and sold pieces of lands.
They poisoned the waters, fields, killed the animals, this is terrorism, this is real terrorism. There were droughts for years!!! What do you think caused these famines in Somalia and in Ethiopia? These fuckers couldn't fight head on so they poison us.

I too want the borders closed. I don't want guns to come in to my country, I don't want grenades to be sold to fishermen, I don't want to see them foreign boats on Somali seas, get the fuck out!!! Between Africa and Italy, ya best believe it's Italy and the rest of Europe that needs Africa. Now shove that sticking filthy boot of yours up your ass.

 

[Hængebøffer]

You are 95% right. I claim my patch of land and due to my ancestry and there is no what if and buts. I know where my roots are from, and I know the condition of the land of my ancestors. as a Somali, mother's qabil (tribe) is from Ogaden (in modern ethiopia shit belongs to Somalia though) father is a majerteen ( they fought with italians ), my main concern is for Africa to heal.

And my opinion in all of this race tension in the states, Europe and all them other retarded places, is that they're all fucking fiends that are only interested in their own agenda and their own wallets. They have absolutely no interest for the people nor the masses. For fuck sakes even first world countries feed their people plastic, litereally plastic!!! Genetically modified crap, and they ask themselves were them weird cancers are coming from. They drug you, then they sell you a watered down potion for a ridiculous price.

The masses, need to put all these meaningless differences aside and see that us as whole, us human beings, we are being shafted by our own and we need to take matters into our own hands.

For exemple, right now, things are calming down in Somalia, the African Union has made several attempts to neutralize the situation, in order for a government to be put into place. Since 91/92 America, nor Europe has lifted a finger for Somalia, nor has that disgusting filth of Arab League (don't even understand why Somalia assosiates themselves with these fucks ) done fuck all. Now that a government is being put into place, you see the likes of the Americans and Brits coming down and trying to put into effect old oil contracts made by Siad Barre (a piece of shit war lord who sold a shit ton of rights for weapons), and the "Somali government" is cooperating WTF!!!!!! Anyways, with a healed Africa, South America, Asia that is has rid itself of these diseases would be do us and our future generations a lot of good.





I'm holding back my tongue like it's not even funny. You know I was born in your country. I was born in Pisa, Italy. On a fucking chair!! Motherfucker took away my right arm, I got a birth injury and can hardly use my right. (My left is mean though watch out!!)
My grandfather on my father's side fought for the Italians in Somalia, he was a general. My father got an italian education and went to university in Pisa, got his undergrad and masters, was sweeping floors
On my mother's side, oh lawd did they hate your people I kinda do to, a lot of times it takes a very conscious effort to not hate italians, there are times where I want your weak puny, insignificant country to just disapear. My maternal grandmother used to talk to me about how your elders were plotting and scheming for and Somalia/Ethiopia without Ethiopians. They had plans, and sold pieces of lands.
They poisoned the waters, fields, killed the animals, this is terrorism, this is real terrorism. There were droughts for years!!! What do you think caused these famines in Somalia and in Ethiopia? These fuckers couldn't fight head on so they poison us.

I too want the borders closed. I don't want guns to come in to my country, I don't want grenades to be sold to fishermen, I don't want to see them foreign boats on Somali seas, get the fuck out!!! Between Africa and Italy, ya best believe it's Italy and the rest of Europe that needs Africa. Now shove that sticking filthy boot of yours up your ass.

Racists.

 

[swag]

so where you from, greg?

The Oort Cloud, basically.

East Africa isn't exactly like Detroit or Palo Alto, it's more then just a couple of decades of hardships.

Yeah, East Africa is better in some parts.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You're into Giddens?

dont know who that is, care to educate me

 

[Bjerknes]

I didn't mean to back Obama or the Democratic party - although I guess there somewhat better than the alternative -, there can be no question that they're as much in the pocket of the financial lobbyists as everyone else.
Also, the fact that the US-American public system is deeply flawed does in no way mean that governments in general are. The not-at-all progressive system of taxation, as well as the absence of virtually any effective form of taxes on capital or gain thereof is one major reason, but not the only one. Specific welfare programs can of course also be questioned, but judging from both unanimous historical evidence as well as simple logic, it is rather clear that in a completely "free" market system without public redistribution, extreme extents of inequality are inevitable. The policy of the FED as well as the already mentioned heavy influence of the big business and banking lobby on the legislative process are actually very clear and worrying symptoms of a society where conditions have become so unequal, that the power of the wealthy is large enough to dictate politics.

Philantropy as well as religous charitable institutions and the like may do some good in relieving some of inequality, but current figures as well as historical perspective very clearly suggests that only governments are able to keep it within an acceptable boundary. That is of course ignoring violent revolutions, which are basically the logical conclusion of extreme inequality, and inflict all kind of harm on every segment of the society, at least in the short term. The increase in crime and the riots and social unrests experienced in Ferguson, London and Greece among others represent in a way the very early stages of this.

But where are the examples of these utopian governments where there is a small amount poor folks, a comfortable middle class, and only a few billionaires? We know Communism is an utter failure and cannot work, and fascist states like Nazi Germany don't work either. Even if this utopian society would exist where all government officials act morally, they would eventually fail anyway since there is no economic incentive to work or compete in the global economy, so their currency would be worthless just like it was in the Weimar Republic.

There is no free lunch in economics, government, or in any facet of life. That is a simple fact. Wealth redistribution leads to fewer incentives to compete, especially for those who already receive state benefits. As redistribution occurs, capital outflows increase, which weakens the overall economy. Then the only solution is to print money, which causes devaluation, so the poor and middle class suffer even more since any savings they have would be obliterated by inflation. Since government officials would know this, they would invest in real assets while dumping their currency, which means that a select few end up owning everything while the poor and middle class own nothing. Gee, sound familiar? The end result is the same.

No free lunch... anywhere.

Capital gains taxes are a joke as well. So much complaining over keeping the stock market high, yet folks want to tax me for risking my own capital to invest in equities. Hell, people invest in stocks to earn dividend payments as a source of income. Taxing capital gains only means more capital outflows, so good luck with that as well.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Staten Island ferry suspended in both directions, the Brooklyn Bridge is closed, and the West Side Highway is blocked. The trains experienced heavy delays last night too. Protests in Chicago and Boston too now.

Right in front of the Barclays Center

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

he was fired tho

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

[MENTION=5409]Juventino[RUS][/MENTION]


...just wow. The ignorance is astonishing.

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Staten Island ferry suspended in both directions, the Brooklyn Bridge is closed, and the West Side Highway is blocked. The trains experienced heavy delays last night too. Protests in Chicago and Boston too now.

Right in front of the Barclays Center

I remember going to Modell's when I was in Manhattan last December Sooooo black

 

[ZoSo]

white man devil

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

They just want to fuck shit up, brah.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Exactly what i thought - uneducated mobsters with the iq lvl under 60, black and white, yellow and brown, just stupid human beings with no life

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America was raised on the racism i mean you fucking retarded moron go to school and read some history books about ur country, piece of shit
@Bianconero_Aus

 

[ALC]

white man devil

Spoiler

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

btw, as for Eric Garner - it was murder by negligence imo, policeman should take full responsibility for this, plus he is exceeded his authority

 

[Zé Tahir]

That is definitely an interesting article, and I agree with some of it. Of course it was a poor idea to force other cultures to change any part of their traditions or belief system. But handing out aid to foreign governments usually means politicians skim off some percentage of the funds for themselves, or only provide them to their constituents. There is really no way to control that other than creating some type of market for it, which is practically impossible. Then look at the case of Israel – we provide them all sorts of aid, yet they undermine our nation by spying on us and funding groups that oppose us. That’s why I say stop all foreign aid and bring back the troops. We have plenty of energy resources through shale and nearby fields in Canada we can work with. Nobody needs no stinkin’ Saudis.

The fact of the matter is, it’s up to the people of third world nations to change the current circumstance, whatever it may be. The same can be said about segments of the population in US cities. The government will not save you, the police have no duty to save you, and the Al Sharpton clan have no reason to save you, so the solution is to rely on yourself to make the most of your own world. This means developing your local economy, buying and selling local, starting your own business, educating yourself, not relying on anybody else but yourself. That's what the Turd Fergusons out there need to realize.

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This is so much different than Trayvon and also Ferguson. There was substantial evidence those two thugs attacked folks, while Garner was just standing there selling cigs and the death was caught on tape.

To me, it's clear the officer used excessive force since the guy wasn't attacking anybody. That is a tragedy, not Ferguson.

 

[.zero]

This is great

http://gawker.com/jon-stewart-wants-to-know-what-the-fuck-rand-paul-is-ta-1667200457

 

[swag]

They just want to fuck shit up, brah.

And you can bet that 95% of the people fucking shit up aren't even from Ferguson.

This is great

http://gawker.com/jon-stewart-wants-to-know-what-the-fuck-rand-paul-is-ta-1667200457

 

[Boksic]

But where are the examples of these utopian governments where there is a small amount poor folks, a comfortable middle class, and only a few billionaires? We know Communism is an utter failure and cannot work, and fascist states like Nazi Germany don't work either. Even if this utopian society would exist where all government officials act morally, they would eventually fail anyway since there is no economic incentive to work or compete in the global economy, so their currency would be worthless just like it was in the Weimar Republic.

There is no free lunch in economics, government, or in any facet of life. That is a simple fact. Wealth redistribution leads to fewer incentives to compete, especially for those who already receive state benefits. As redistribution occurs, capital outflows increase, which weakens the overall economy. Then the only solution is to print money, which causes devaluation, so the poor and middle class suffer even more since any savings they have would be obliterated by inflation. Since government officials would know this, they would invest in real assets while dumping their currency, which means that a select few end up owning everything while the poor and middle class own nothing. Gee, sound familiar? The end result is the same.

No free lunch... anywhere.

Capital gains taxes are a joke as well. So much complaining over keeping the stock market high, yet folks want to tax me for risking my own capital to invest in equities. Hell, people invest in stocks to earn dividend payments as a source of income. Taxing capital gains only means more capital outflows, so good luck with that as well.

 

[Ocelot]

But where are the examples of these utopian governments where there is a small amount poor folks, a comfortable middle class, and only a few billionaires? We know Communism is an utter failure and cannot work, and fascist states like Nazi Germany don't work either. Even if this utopian society would exist where all government officials act morally, they would eventually fail anyway since there is no economic incentive to work or compete in the global economy, so their currency would be worthless just like it was in the Weimar Republic.

There is no free lunch in economics, government, or in any facet of life. That is a simple fact. Wealth redistribution leads to fewer incentives to compete, especially for those who already receive state benefits. As redistribution occurs, capital outflows increase, which weakens the overall economy. Then the only solution is to print money, which causes devaluation, so the poor and middle class suffer even more since any savings they have would be obliterated by inflation. Since government officials would know this, they would invest in real assets while dumping their currency, which means that a select few end up owning everything while the poor and middle class own nothing. Gee, sound familiar? The end result is the same.

No free lunch... anywhere.

Capital gains taxes are a joke as well. So much complaining over keeping the stock market high, yet folks want to tax me for risking my own capital to invest in equities. Hell, people invest in stocks to earn dividend payments as a source of income. Taxing capital gains only means more capital outflows, so good luck with that as well.

Well, almost nothing works perfect anywhere, but the welfare states of western and northern Europe (even more so 20 years ago than now), aren't bad examples of highly functional systems based on what I mentioned. To be clear, I'm not proposing a competely radical system like communism, or god forbid fascism (which actually is probably much more of a political than an economic system (although of course both terms are not alway cleary seperable), and most of the times the economic system in fascist states was basically capitalist). I do for example also believe that the characteristics of a market-based trade and exchange stystem are, in most areas, extremely useful to society.
However, if the economy of a society is in all areas completely left under the regulation of "the market", extreme inequalites occur that have nothing at all to do with meritocratic values and cannot be justified in any way using rationalist and non-religous arguments. Simply put, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer, up to a point were social mobility is reduced to an extreme minimum not unlike to feudal societies. What's more, this doesn't only harm lower classes, but after a certain point also the wealthy, which of course don't appreciate areas riddled with crime or large proportions of the society being only very poorly educated as well.

The notion that high taxes on capital gains, high income and the like in general, harm economic growth sounds nice and makes sense in theory, but just doesn't hold up to the facts. For example, the development of per capita GDP has been pretty much the same in all (highly) developed countries from 1980-2008, despite the massive differences concerning these taxations between let's say Sweden and the USA. Part of the reason for this is that low-end consumers having more money means them spending basically the entirety of this money, boosting demand (this might become a problem for a country if the addiotional consumption is focused on foreign goods - see Greece -, but normally, and at least globally seen benefits the economy hugely). Enterpreneurs and companies, of course not being stupid themselves, realise this potential of them being able to sell more of their products and invest accordingly. And assuming that you don't create a system of complete and total equality, which I by far am not proposing here, the number of people "leeching off the system" will be minimal and neglegible in the grand scheme of things. There are more than enough incentives for people to work and have success and in their professional lives even if they don't face living on the street without a job. In fact, the almost impossible difficulty of getting back into the economic system once you completely drop out of it (e.g. get homeless) is another reason why a strong social system is preferable, as it very often prevents this happening. Especially in times of short-term economic shocks and crisis, this can prove to be very effective in the long run, as this "dropping out" of mostly potentially useful components of the work force and decreased consumption represents a defenitive loss for the economy, which only accumulates over time. With social securities in place, a person who has recently lost his job can afford to wait for employment opportunities, during which time his consumption does not completely break off, and resume working at a later point in time.

The already alluded retaining of consumption during times of crisis is also an important benefit, and the major reason why the European states with a strong welfare state initially didn't have as much as a problem with unemployment rates during the first two years of the recent crisis (which in the meantime has of course been made obsolete by the moronic policy of extreme austerity imposed by Berlin & Co.).