Messi vs C.Ronaldo (27 Viewers)

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AndreaCristiano

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Argentina (at least currently) is stacked on paper but they are a $#@! show on the pitch.
Any way you slice it compare them to Portugal and they are always better and Ronaldo has won with Portugal. Also he’s played in multiple leagues and won. While Messi only plays in the system made for him and never ventures out
 

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zizinho

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Most of what you are describing is too dependent on the team around them though. CL is a team tournament and frequently, between Messi and CR, the one who wins Balon D'or does so after winning a team tournament.
want individual then? in his 5 CL runs, CR stats: 8g1a, 17g5a, 16g4a, 12g5a, 15g3a, vs Messi in his 4 CL runs: 1g2a, 9g5a, 12g4a, 10g5a. all time top scorer in CL - CR. all time assist leader in CL - CR. CR got the balon dor on all of his CL runs, and only once got it when he didnt win it. Messi got balon dor on 3 out of his 4 CL runs, and got 2 when he didnt win it, one of them when he choked at the WC. i mean, you can say Messi is better at this or that, but 10 years from now people will look at this and ask, how do you put Messi above this guy. it just doesent add up
 

X Æ A-12

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meh I'm not interested in debating this.


Ronaldo just scored a spectacular hattrick against Spain and is oh so handsome. This forum is incredibly reactionary and full of closeted homosexuals so I understand everyone is googly eyed about Ronaldo right now I'm just pointing out that I think lately people have been forgetting/ downplaying some of the insane shit Lionel Messi used to pull off on a regular basis. I think its unfair to say that Ronaldo has just won this GOAT debate.
 

AndreaCristiano

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want individual then? in his 5 CL runs, CR stats: 8g1a, 17g5a, 16g4a, 12g5a, 15g3a, vs Messi in his 4 CL runs: 1g2a, 9g5a, 12g4a, 10g5a. all time top scorer in CL - CR. all time assist leader in CL - CR. CR got the balon dor on all of his CL runs, and only once got it when he didnt win it. Messi got balon dor on 3 out of his 4 CL runs, and got 2 when he didnt win it, one of them when he choked at the WC. i mean, you can say Messi is better at this or that, but 10 years from now people will look at this and ask, how do you put Messi above this guy. it just doesent add up
Agreed. Not even close
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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meh I'm not interested in debating this.


Ronaldo just scored a spectacular hattrick against Spain and is oh so handsome. This forum is incredibly reactionary and full of closeted homosexuals so I understand everyone is googly eyed about Ronaldo right now I'm just pointing out that I think lately people have been forgetting/ downplaying some of the insane $#@! Lionel Messi used to pull off on a regular basis.
That means shit Kyle when the results always favor Cristiano so he can do amazing shit and still end up behind the man
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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meh I'm not interested in debating this.


Ronaldo just scored a spectacular hattrick against Spain and is oh so handsome. This forum is incredibly reactionary and full of closeted homosexuals so I understand everyone is googly eyed about Ronaldo right now I'm just pointing out that I think lately people have been forgetting/ downplaying some of the insane shit Lionel Messi used to pull off on a regular basis. I think its unfair to say that Ronaldo has just won this GOAT debate.
Messi was the best player in the world for 4 years, absolutely. but hes no GOAT
 

Stevie

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Ronaldo may be more successful be he isnt as naturally gifted as Messi and has never been as talented.

What Ronaldo lacks in talent he does make up for in other ways though. Hes just a fucking beast. Mentaly and physically.

I'll always rate Messi higher but i totally understand why anyone would prefer Ronaldo.
 

X Æ A-12

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Ronaldo may be more successful be he isnt as naturally gifted as Messi and has never been as talented.

What Ronaldo lacks in talent he does make up for in other ways though. Hes just a fucking beast. Mentaly and physically.

I'll always rate Messi higher but i totally understand why anyone would prefer Ronaldo.
Thank you
 

AndreaCristiano

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Ronaldo may be more successful be he isnt as naturally gifted as Messi and has never been as talented.

What Ronaldo lacks in talent he does make up for in other ways though. Hes just a $#@!ing beast. Mentaly and physically.

I'll always rate Messi higher but i totally understand why anyone would prefer Ronaldo.
That’s also very subjective as many think Ronaldo is more gifted.
 

Stevie

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That’s also very subjective as many think Ronaldo is more gifted.
Do they really? I thought it was common knowledge that Ronaldo got to where is is due to his hard work exceptional professionalism and extreme attention to detail.

Messi hardly looks as if he tries. Messi is on another planet when it comes to natural god given talent.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Do they really? I thought it was common knowledge that Ronaldo got to where is is due to his hard work exceptional professionalism and extreme attention to detail.

Messi hardly looks as if he tries. Messi is on another planet when it comes to natural god given talent.
Really ? I watch Messi all the time and he tries just as hard as everyone else. It may seem like it comes easy but it doesn’t. In actuality it probably is harder for him because of his size compared to Ronaldo
 

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