Medhi Benatia (31 Viewers)

[Espectro]

This whole situation was a complete disaster. And I'm sorry but I can't put much blame on Benatia here.

Really he should have handed in the transfer request as soon as we acquired Bonucci. He had come off a fine season and the writing was on the wall that we were going to bench him for an inferior player. But he says, "Ok maybe it's a meritocracy and I will take my seat on the bench and wait for another chance." But the chance never comes. He is watching mistake after mistake from Bonucci and still Bonucci is the first name on the sheet?

How does a player in his prime accept this? It would take an extraordinary love for the shirt to accept a complete reserve role. It's irrational to expect him to be OK with this setup.

Now the blame falls on Allegri/Paratici. Can they not see this coming? Allegri is the coach and he knows who he is going to play. If you know Benatia is never going to play, then sell him before the season starts. This is a separate criticism from other obvious issues like how Benatia is better than Bonucci anyways or that sometimes it would make sense to play with 3 CBs and use Bonucci in his preferred role as a sweeper. So in that scenario you can placate Benatia and also win games.

But the idea was just to sit Benatia on the bench the whole season?

And then it comes to Paratici. What the fuck did we gain by selling him now? Did we use the money somewhere? He was benched the whole year and suddenly *now* you care about his feelings? Either you care or you don't. You have to keep him now. Isn't there some communication between Max and Paratici that Bonucci will be used every game? In that case you are aware that Benatia will just be a reserve.

It's like this whole situation caught them by surprise but they're the ones who initiated it. Either you wanted Benatia as 4th choice, or you didn't. You decided this several months ago. All of a sudden in January you wake up and say, "Hey wait a sec, we don't need Benatia as 4th choice!".

Give this man a beer!!! Well said!!

 

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[Post Ironic]

Jumped ship at the right time.

Waited to win Supercoppa first, one last trophy, then jumped ship to side about to win more trophies, knowing Juventus would never win another.

Perfect timing. He is not the capitano type to go down with the ship.

 

[zizinho]

https://www.soccerway.com/national/qatar/stars-cup/2018/s15589/final-stages/

cant wait hope he plays 90 minutes and lifts the cup as captain

 

[PhRoZeN]

This whole situation was a complete disaster. And I'm sorry but I can't put much blame on Benatia here.

Really he should have handed in the transfer request as soon as we acquired Bonucci. He had come off a fine season and the writing was on the wall that we were going to bench him for an inferior player. But he says, "Ok maybe it's a meritocracy and I will take my seat on the bench and wait for another chance." But the chance never comes. He is watching mistake after mistake from Bonucci and still Bonucci is the first name on the sheet?

How does a player in his prime accept this? It would take an extraordinary love for the shirt to accept a complete reserve role. It's irrational to expect him to be OK with this setup.

Now the blame falls on Allegri/Paratici. Can they not see this coming? Allegri is the coach and he knows who he is going to play. If you know Benatia is never going to play, then sell him before the season starts. This is a separate criticism from other obvious issues like how Benatia is better than Bonucci anyways or that sometimes it would make sense to play with 3 CBs and use Bonucci in his preferred role as a sweeper. So in that scenario you can placate Benatia and also win games.

But the idea was just to sit Benatia on the bench the whole season?

And then it comes to Paratici. What the fuck did we gain by selling him now? Did we use the money somewhere? He was benched the whole year and suddenly *now* you care about his feelings? Either you care or you don't. You have to keep him now. Isn't there some communication between Max and Paratici that Bonucci will be used every game? In that case you are aware that Benatia will just be a reserve.

It's like this whole situation caught them by surprise but they're the ones who initiated it. Either you wanted Benatia as 4th choice, or you didn't. You decided this several months ago. All of a sudden in January you wake up and say, "Hey wait a sec, we don't need Benatia as 4th choice!".

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[B3N]

This whole situation was a complete disaster. And I'm sorry but I can't put much blame on Benatia here.

Really he should have handed in the transfer request as soon as we acquired Bonucci. He had come off a fine season and the writing was on the wall that we were going to bench him for an inferior player. But he says, "Ok maybe it's a meritocracy and I will take my seat on the bench and wait for another chance." But the chance never comes. He is watching mistake after mistake from Bonucci and still Bonucci is the first name on the sheet?

How does a player in his prime accept this? It would take an extraordinary love for the shirt to accept a complete reserve role. It's irrational to expect him to be OK with this setup.

Now the blame falls on Allegri/Paratici. Can they not see this coming? Allegri is the coach and he knows who he is going to play. If you know Benatia is never going to play, then sell him before the season starts. This is a separate criticism from other obvious issues like how Benatia is better than Bonucci anyways or that sometimes it would make sense to play with 3 CBs and use Bonucci in his preferred role as a sweeper. So in that scenario you can placate Benatia and also win games.

But the idea was just to sit Benatia on the bench the whole season?

And then it comes to Paratici. What the fuck did we gain by selling him now? Did we use the money somewhere? He was benched the whole year and suddenly *now* you care about his feelings? Either you care or you don't. You have to keep him now. Isn't there some communication between Max and Paratici that Bonucci will be used every game? In that case you are aware that Benatia will just be a reserve.

It's like this whole situation caught them by surprise but they're the ones who initiated it. Either you wanted Benatia as 4th choice, or you didn't. You decided this several months ago. All of a sudden in January you wake up and say, "Hey wait a sec, we don't need Benatia as 4th choice!".

Bonnuci is the first name on the sheet because today we saw how bad we can get pressed even playing with apparently superior defenders in place of him.
How many times Benatia lost concentration last season? He even had a fallout with Gigi .
Stop being over dramatic, same thing happened to him at Bayern and now playing for a Qatari side you know where he's head at. Dude already had his peak at Roma his true level for a starter.

 

[Post Ironic]

Bonnuci is the first name on the sheet because today we saw how bad we can get pressed even playing with apparently superior defenders in place of him.
How many times Benatia lost concentration last season? He even had a fallout with Gigi .
Stop being over dramatic, same thing happened to him at Bayern and now playing for a Qatari side you know where he's head at. Dude already had his peak at Roma his true level for a starter.

People forgetting already how easily we got pressed last season by any half-decent side. Pjanic and Mandzu saved us from complete disaster multiple times last season because of this pressing. And we saw these last two matches how difficult it is for us to pass it by pressing without those two or Bonucci in the line-up.

 

[Goodfella]

Bonnuci is the first name on the sheet because today we saw how bad we can get pressed even playing with apparently superior defenders in place of him.
How many times Benatia lost concentration last season? He even had a fallout with Gigi .
Stop being over dramatic, same thing happened to him at Bayern and now playing for a Qatari side you know where he's head at. Dude already had his peak at Roma his true level for a starter.

Don't try and argue with Mike here. His post is excellent.

Bonucci would have been Zapata's property had he played tonight.

 

[MikeM]

Bonnuci is the first name on the sheet because today we saw how bad we can get pressed even playing with apparently superior defenders in place of him.
How many times Benatia lost concentration last season? He even had a fallout with Gigi .
Stop being over dramatic, same thing happened to him at Bayern and now playing for a Qatari side you know where he's head at. Dude already had his peak at Roma his true level for a starter.

We literally just played Atalanta a few games ago with Bonucci in the team. Did we forget already what Zapata did to him?

 

[B3N]

We literally just played Atalanta a few games ago with Bonucci in the team. Did we forget already what Zapata did to him?

Same thing happened to Rugani right at the start, he even had no clue another occasion the run behind him only for Chiellini to cover. Dudes enjoying a good form and would probably done worse to Benatia but point we woulda never got trashed this way.

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If immobile finished his chance at one nail result against lazio woulda been the same too.

 

[Linebreak]

Benatia should have been starting with Chiellini since the start of the season.

 

[Post Ironic]

We literally just played Atalanta a few games ago with Bonucci in the team. Did we forget already what Zapata did to him?

Let's ignore that our record with Benatia was pretty poor. 42 wins from 59 matches (71% wins), which is substantially lower than Juventus' overall winning percentage in that same 2.5 year period. 101 wins of 131 competitive matches (77% wins). Which means we won 59 of 72 matches (82% wins) we played without Medhi. And that's with Benatia playing mostly rotation games against small teams in his first year here and in the matches he played this year.

Of course there are other factors to take into account, but it's pretty clear that Bonucci helps this team tick, and relieves a ton of pressure on our backline even if you dislike him. He makes mistakes, more so this year than in his last 3 years at Juventus, yet we still concede very few goals because when he plays we control games far better, and are much more difficult to put the kind of pressure on that Atalanta did today (they didn't dominate us even close to this degree two weeks ago, even if Bonucci was poor defensively in that match), or Tottenham did last year for example.

 

[Cerval]

Let's ignore that our record with Benatia was pretty poor. 42 wins from 59 matches (71% wins), which is substantially lower than Juventus' overall winning percentage in that same 2.5 year period. 101 wins of 131 competitive matches (77% wins). Which means we won 59 of 72 matches (82% wins) we played without Medhi. And that's with Benatia playing mostly rotation games against small teams in his first year here and in the matches he played this year.

Of course there are other factors to take into account, but it's pretty clear that Bonucci helps this team tick, and relieves a ton of pressure on our backline even if you dislike him. He makes mistakes, more so this year than in his last 3 years at Juventus, yet we still concede very few goals because when he plays we control games far better, and are much more difficult to put the kind of pressure on that Atalanta did today (they didn't dominate us even close to this degree two weeks ago, even if Bonucci was poor defensively in that match), or Tottenham did last year for example.

He played the hardest fixtures in his second year, and he wasn't the only player fielded which makes him being the scapegoat absurd.

 

[Post Ironic]

He played the hardest fixtures, and he wasn't the only player fielded which makes him being the scapegoat absurd.

Wat? He played them last year, that's it. His first season and this year he played mostly minnows. And we lost the majority of the difficult matches he played that first year. Inter, Milan, Roma, Genoa, Napoli. All losses.

He had a great 6 months last season from November - April. And deserves praise for that. But that's about it.

No, he's not the scapegoat. But this idea that Bonucci is a scrub, and Benatia is somehow far superior is absurd, and is based almost entirely in personal dislike for Bonucci because of his idiotic Milan interlude.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

It’s not a question of Bonucci vs Benatia at this stage. It’s if you want to keep the latter keep him happy by playing or if that won’t keep him happy find someone who will be at the start of the season. Not sell mid season with pretty much no backup (Caceres seriously but it’s what we could do in this market and emergency). Just poorly timed and thought out

 

[beowulf]

Wat? He played them last year, that's it. His first season and this year he played mostly minnows. And we lost the majority of the difficult matches he played that first year. Inter, Milan, Roma, Genoa, Napoli. All losses.

He had a great 6 months last season from November - April. And deserves praise for that. But that's about it.

No, he's not the scapegoat. But this idea that Bonucci is a scrub, and Benatia is somehow far superior is absurd, and is based almost entirely in personal dislike for Bonucci because of his idiotic Milan interlude.

Dude since Bonucci has been back he has not been a top grade CB. I could not care less about a CB passing the ball. That is what I would like a midfield to do. Benatia was one of the best players on the team last year. And the freeze him out for a medicore defender so we can hoof the ball to Sandro 24/7.

 

[Post Ironic]

Dude since Bonucci has been back he has not been a top grade CB. I could not care less about a CB passing the ball. That is what I would like a midfield to do. Benatia was one of the best players on the team last year. And the freeze him out for a medicore defender so we can hoof the ball to Sandro 24/7.

Oh please, we’d conceded 15 goals in 28 matches in all competitions this season, before the last two matches without Bonucci and Chiellini. Pretty clearly our CB pairing of Bonucci-Chiellini has been working.

Mediocre defender. What utter nonsense.

 

[beowulf]

Oh please, we’d conceded 15 goals in 28 matches in all competitions this season, before the last two matches without Bonucci and Chiellini. Pretty clearly our CB pairing of Bonucci-Chiellini has been working.

Mediocre defender. What utter nonsense.

With Allegri's Mourinho-like tactics against half these teams we will never concede even when we get Bruno Alves as our starter. Bonucci's "defending" is comical. Looks like he's trying out some lunge exercises when he tries to tackle. Refuses to pay attention on corners. Guy is a farce.

 

[Post Ironic]

...and more mental illness.

 

[B3N]

He played the hardest fixtures in his second year, and he wasn't the only player fielded which makes him being the scapegoat absurd.

not a scapegoat but he wasn't some defensive revelation given his share of mistakes and injury problems when he was starter.
Funny part he felt hard done by this hence his decision to go to a retirement league? You buy into that?

 

[zizinho]

his team lost the cup final 1-0, Vladimir Weiss scored the winning goal. he started but got subbed at halftime