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There's a difference between aspiring to be a Real Madrid or Bayern and the reality that we're not right now. We don’t have the finances to be that level, that is simply delusional. We should be in a better place and still winning/competing for the scudetto and having a shot at the CL but it's not like you woke up yesterday and it was the first football match you ever watched, no team wins all the time. Clubs go from dynasty to mediocrity all the time, that's a general cycle of football, and finances exacerbate this.
We are having to work our way back up and do it in a shit league where not only are we not given any favours but we are positively handicapped by people at every turn. You might think that we replace Allegri and suddenly everything gets better but don't be surprised if it doesn't all magically disappear and we go and compete for the CL with this group of players. I say this for your own mental health and for others who haven't yet accepted the reality of our situation and the need to work off and on the field to return to that level rather than feeling entitled to win everything and do it playing well because we are Juventus.
We are having to work our way back up and do it in a shit league where not only are we not given any favours but we are positively handicapped by people at every turn. You might think that we replace Allegri and suddenly everything gets better but don't be surprised if it doesn't all magically disappear and we go and compete for the CL with this group of players. I say this for your own mental health and for others who haven't yet accepted the reality of our situation and the need to work off and on the field to return to that level rather than feeling entitled to win everything and do it playing well because we are Juventus.
First time I’ve seen a game in months, just 2nd half, and it was so frustrating to see the ref still going against us without any hesitation, the rivals using that to bitching and whining as they have been doing for several years now. Just saying that so you can prepared yourself
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3 points, top of the league, winning despite crooked ref
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Yeah, the lowering of standards is insane. These were once games that we should have finished off in the first half. Now we celebrate 96th minute winners against 16th placed teams like we just won the scudetto. There's only one person to blame for implementing this loser attitude. Thankfully there are still few amongst us who hold Juve to a greater standard than this.
I won't deny that I was happy with the win, but that came more from the Karma against the ref/VAR and that idiot Faroani than anything else.
I won't deny that I was happy with the win, but that came more from the Karma against the ref/VAR and that idiot Faroani than anything else.
In fact, I saw a looooot of crying about refs. It was embarrassing, Inter and Napoli level stuff by many posters, especially the stitch.
We are talking about Verona here, at home.
Im not getting on your dildo train just because of some Serie A grinds, when the issues and limitations are clear for everyone to see.
As soon as the fraud is streeted and we replace him with anything but other reptiles like Conte and Sarri, I will be celebrating and hopeful for the future!
I think thats the reasonable stance to take with what we have been through and what we have seen!
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We are talking about Verona here, at home.
Im not getting on your dildo train just because of some Serie A grinds, when the issues and limitations are clear for everyone to see.
As soon as the fraud is streeted and we replace him with anything but other reptiles like Conte and Sarri, I will be celebrating and hopeful for the future!
I think thats the reasonable stance to take with what we have been through and what we have seen!
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The forum's snitch back at it again 
Brain damage is continuing to think that Allegri provides the best long term solution for this team based on 1-0 grinds against 10 men Milan and 16th placed Verona. We've gone through all of this before. Last year it was the '7/7 wins' if I remember correctly. That was hailed by the likes of you as an indication of Allegri managing to figure it out, until reality hit. Where did that get us? Nowhere.
No one is getting worked up over the win in of itself. Its the impulsiveness, the hasty assumptions and cockiness that comes with it.
And we'll keep going round in the same circles again and again. Good phases cancelled out by bad phases. Ultimately nothing changes and we stagnate at the same level. We remain at an 'adequate' enough level to justify Allegri's continued presence here (in other words, 4th place). Any prospect of catching up with the big dogs fade as they progress both on and off the pitch at a speed that we simply can no longer keep up with. Sooner or later we just become another 'has been' in European football.
They say that insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Looks like you and many others here fit that definition pretty well.
Brain damage is continuing to think that Allegri provides the best long term solution for this team based on 1-0 grinds against 10 men Milan and 16th placed Verona. We've gone through all of this before. Last year it was the '7/7 wins' if I remember correctly. That was hailed by the likes of you as an indication of Allegri managing to figure it out, until reality hit. Where did that get us? Nowhere.
No one is getting worked up over the win in of itself. Its the impulsiveness, the hasty assumptions and cockiness that comes with it.
And we'll keep going round in the same circles again and again. Good phases cancelled out by bad phases. Ultimately nothing changes and we stagnate at the same level. We remain at an 'adequate' enough level to justify Allegri's continued presence here (in other words, 4th place). Any prospect of catching up with the big dogs fade as they progress both on and off the pitch at a speed that we simply can no longer keep up with. Sooner or later we just become another 'has been' in European football.
They say that insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Looks like you and many others here fit that definition pretty well.
The forum's snitch back at it again
Brain damage is continuing to think that Allegri provides the best long term solution for this team based on 1-0 grinds against 10 men Milan and 16th placed Verona. We've gone through all of this before. Last year it was the '7/7 wins' if I remember correctly. That was hailed by the likes of you as an indication of Allegri managing to figure it out, until reality hit. Where did that get us? Nowhere.
No one is getting worked up over the win in of itself. Its the impulsiveness, the hasty assumptions and cockiness that comes with it.
And we'll keep going round in the same circles again and again. Good phases cancelled out by bad phases. Ultimately nothing changes and we stagnate at the same level. We remain at an 'adequate' enough level to justify Allegri's continued presence here (in other words, 4th place). Any prospect of catching up with the big dogs fade as they progress both on and off the pitch at rates that we simply can no longer match. Sooner or later we just become another 'has been' in European football.
They say that insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Looks like you and many others here fit that definition pretty well.
Brain damage is continuing to think that Allegri provides the best long term solution for this team based on 1-0 grinds against 10 men Milan and 16th placed Verona. We've gone through all of this before. Last year it was the '7/7 wins' if I remember correctly. That was hailed by the likes of you as an indication of Allegri managing to figure it out, until reality hit. Where did that get us? Nowhere.
No one is getting worked up over the win in of itself. Its the impulsiveness, the hasty assumptions and cockiness that comes with it.
And we'll keep going round in the same circles again and again. Good phases cancelled out by bad phases. Ultimately nothing changes and we stagnate at the same level. We remain at an 'adequate' enough level to justify Allegri's continued presence here (in other words, 4th place). Any prospect of catching up with the big dogs fade as they progress both on and off the pitch at rates that we simply can no longer match. Sooner or later we just become another 'has been' in European football.
They say that insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Looks like you and many others here fit that definition pretty well.
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"I'm not a snitch" calls on mods to permaban 7-8 members because he doesn't agree with them
It's an open forum to discuss different perspectives about the club, not an echo chamber/circlejerk for Allegri loyalists like yourself. Go and create your own Allegri forum if my posts trigger you this much.
It's an open forum to discuss different perspectives about the club, not an echo chamber/circlejerk for Allegri loyalists like yourself. Go and create your own Allegri forum if my posts trigger you this much.
the club lowered the standards indeed. just look at this squad, bar chiesa, neither of them would start for any post-2012, pre-2020 team. it is what it is. i don't think anyone likes this situation. at least some of you eternal whiners have a great excuse for the constant bitching, so if anyone, you should be grateful.
if you watched the game, you know that it was an uphill battle. team scored two and a textbook penalty wasn't awarded, this match had to be won more than once. try to appreciate the character at least. winner teams are born through hard fought victories like this. we've won games in the dying seconds vs lower quality teams many times, just remember the one against lazio with a last second dybala goal, the torino derby in 2015 with a cuadrado goal that started a 20-something match unbeaten streak and turned our season around, an other torino derby with a last second pirlo long range screamer, or a home game vs bologna when pogba converted a giovinco cross in the stoppages. and so on, the list is very long. all much better teams, all against weaker opposition, all hard fought victories. i bet you cried yourself to sleep on all occasions.
if you watched the game, you know that it was an uphill battle. team scored two and a textbook penalty wasn't awarded, this match had to be won more than once. try to appreciate the character at least. winner teams are born through hard fought victories like this. we've won games in the dying seconds vs lower quality teams many times, just remember the one against lazio with a last second dybala goal, the torino derby in 2015 with a cuadrado goal that started a 20-something match unbeaten streak and turned our season around, an other torino derby with a last second pirlo long range screamer, or a home game vs bologna when pogba converted a giovinco cross in the stoppages. and so on, the list is very long. all much better teams, all against weaker opposition, all hard fought victories. i bet you cried yourself to sleep on all occasions.
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Sure, I appreciate the character and grinta. I haven't seen that in a long time, and it was a pleasant surprise, one largely I believe is thanks to the atmosphere created by the much-needed curva. But it shouldn't require blood sweat and tears to comfortably defeat a team of this caliber. If it were Inter or even Lazio or Atalanta I could somewhat understand, but this is a minnow we're talking about. We've won similar games (although I wouldn't compare Lazio to Verona, but whatever) but at least we were dominant in most of the games we played and there weren't these on-and-off performances. We were far more consistent then than we are now because we had an identity- something we don't have anymore.
The limitations of this team, both in terms of quality and gameplan are still visible to everyone. We shouldn't be jumping on the bandwagon so soon when, if anything, these last 2 seasons have culminated in no progress whatsoever, despite these occasional good performances.
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Sure, I appreciate the character and grinta. I haven't seen that in a long time, and it was a pleasant surprise, one largely I believe is thanks to the atmosphere created by the much-needed curva. But it shouldn't require blood sweat and tears to comfortably defeat a team of this caliber. If it were Inter or even Lazio or Atalanta I could somewhat understand, but this is a minnow we're talking about. We've won similar games (although I wouldn't compare Lazio to Verona, but whatever) but at least we were dominant in most of the games we played and there weren't these on-and-off performances. We were far more consistent then than we are now because we had an identity- something we don't have anymore.
The limitations of this team, both in terms of quality and gameplan are still visible to everyone. We shouldn't be jumping on the bandwagon so soon when, if anything, these last 2 seasons have culminated in no progress whatsoever, despite these occasional good performances.
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